I didn't see the article but if it ran 1:08 they cut out the bowl

 

That's what I figured...the lambo ran a 1:08:45 and the evo mr ran a 1:13:85. I took a pic of the article results because I could not believe that the stock evo could beat out your time by 15 seconds...

 

I would love to see what your time would be with the track set up the same way.

 

the only evos that have gone faster were 450hp track cars

 

The bigger track i think jan ran... its the international speedway track not the streets of willow.... right jan?

 

Wrong page... look 2 pages later...

 

BTW jan... how much faster will you run with the new sc setup and stroker kit? estimated?

 

That page has the lap times. The far right # is the lap times. Those are the SOW times. Jan ran the SOW track. It was just set up differently.

 

I would expect to get in the 1:23 range with Flanery driving

 

oh is that true Jan? thats still good though...

 

when you talk to people who run SOW, none quote times WITHOUT the bowl, they always quote them done using the full 1.8mile track

if you can break 1:30 on that track you have a very fast car

 

Did we really go through 14 pages without someone providing:

Step one: You cut a hole in the box....

 

that skit was a funny one

 

While that's true, it's a little disrespectful to the most likely very talented driver piloting said very fast car. It's definitely a balance...

mb

 

Next time you're there, do a run without the bowl and show the time. I'm sure you'd blow away that evo's time, but I'm curious about the top cars.

 

LOL>.... are you saying I am talented?

 

I don't know the course or your driving skill, but I am saying that it takes more than putting a lot of HP in a FWD car (or any car, for that matter) to make it quick.

I will say that your angle on the marketing is effective - "our cars perform at the track." It's damn appealing, especially with the times posted and whatnot. For me, though, I've seen LOTS of VERY powerful cars get tooled by very "weak" cars, so I guess I put more stock in the driving than the equipment.

I saw two RMW cars perform at the track this weekend. Larry (I think that's his name - great guy, great driver) in the GP was impressively quick, giving nothing away to much more powerful cars in his run group. Can I really give ALL of the credit to RMW? Nah, can't do it.

So yea, in a roundabout way, I am saying you're talented You're welcome

mb

 

Jan, I'm curious. What's the suspension set-up on your car?

 

for the record.... Larry only has my Race header/old magnaflow exhaust, stock JCW pulley, RMW cam and tune..... wait til he puts on the cylinder head

 

this will kill everyone.....

STOCK JCW BRAKES
STOCK FLUID
STOCK LINES
STOCK PADS
STOCK SWAYBARS.... YES.... STOCK!!!!!
NO strut braces or any of that stuff....NADA

adjustable rear control arms and coilovers

brake ducts.... that's it folks.....

 

Cross?

 

What about wheels/tires and MINI mass reduction Jan? hehe

Jeremy

 

I bet Jan's got a set of these jammed under his car.

 

Yep, he'll be faster in the straights when he puts it on. I see your point; I just think if you give all of the credit to power and the car, if there's ever a day when the same car with less (or inferior) equipment is quicker at the track, then the answer will most likely be to blame driver skill. It sounds like a contradiction to me, that's all. Like I said - I think it's effective marketing, but I don't have to tell you that, do I!

For me, I'll spend my money on other stuff because at my very low level, I can still catch more powerful cars on the straights by simply exiting the last turn at a slightly higher speed.

mb

 

wheels.... Motegi Track Light 2.0s
Hoosier 225/40/17"s

NO WEIGHT REDUCTION.... all completely STOCK.....actually weighs more as I have a W2A in the car

when you have 262whp/234tq.... who needs to take out weight?

if you look at Madness's best time with a pro driver in their turbo car on the same track it put down 1:31
I ran the farthest you can around the track....1.8mi
on the last track day I ran 1:28xxx on 5 laps and multiple sub 1:30s
when you take out the warm up laps you can see every run was 1:30 or under
I did 1:28 in only 5 track days.... I went 1:30 in 2 track days.... go figure


here is the info from the Eurotuner GP event on the Madness car
2003 Mini Cooper SDriver: Brian Smith - World Challenge driver, former test driver with BFG/Michelin, runs national driving school
Dyno: 328.8hp, 237.4 lb/ft of torque (8th)
Quarter-mile: 13.86 @ 106.4mph (9th)
Lap time: 1:31.275 (4th)
Engine: 1.6 liter four cylinder with JE pistons, engine balanced and blueprinted, ported cylinder head with larger valves, Mad Dog GT28RS turbocharger, AEM engine management, Mini-Madness chargecooler, engine oil cooler and baffled oil pan, 3" exhaust with no cats
Driveline: six-speed manual with RPS lightweight flywheel, Spec clutch, Quaife limited-slip diff, short shifter
Suspension: Leda coilovers, H&R springs, Mini-Madness 22mm rear sway bar, tubular front control arms and adjustable rear control arms, poly suspension bushings, camber plates
Wheels & tires: 17x7" SSR Competition wheels, 225/40-17 Falken Azenis RT-615 tires
Brakes: Wilwood big brake kit, DS2500 pads, stainless steel lines
Exterior: OE Mini aero kit, carbon rear spoiler
Interior: OMP seats, five-point harness, welded-in rollcage, tachometer with shift light, Turbosmart boost control, oil pressure and water temp gauges