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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Link/List of mods for S to increase HP?

I am a member of several car forums and usually there is a sticky or someone who has a list of most of the common mods for the particular vehicle and expected HP gains, along with links to the products.

Is there any thing like that on this site? Looking for HP mods.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Rod its called search use it. Im pretty sure theres even another thread on this right now.
 
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Rod its called search use it.
If I asked a question to the members of NAM and got a response like this I would prob never post here again. Is it really that hard for some of you people to get off your high horse's and help a fellow member? If you're just going to post a dumb response like you did why even relpy?

To answer your question, the best mod would be to change the charger pulley to either a 15% or 17% pulley. After that most will change the intake and exhaust, although it's hard to find one that really will increase the HP.

Hope this helps alittle.
 
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Originally Posted by MJohnson81
If I asked a question to the members of NAM and got a response like this I would prob never post here again. Is it really that hard for some of you people to get off your high horse's and help a fellow member? If you're just going to post a dumb response like you did why even relpy?

To answer your question, the best mod would be to change the charger pulley to either a 15% or 17% pulley. After that most will change the intake and exhaust, although it's hard to find one that really will increase the HP.

Hope this helps alittle.
Ya, that is interesting. Normally I have gone to boards they will have a sticky that list the common engine mods and what to expect HP wise and links to the products and maybe even some links to reviews, dino's etc....

I did do a search but there is so much info it is almost overwelming, thats why I was asking if there was a basic guide or link with a summary.
 
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If I asked a question to the members of NAM and got a response like this I would prob never post here again. Is it really that hard for some of you people to get off your high horse's and help a fellow member? If you're just going to post a dumb response like you did why even relpy?

To answer your question, the best mod would be to change the charger pulley to either a 15% or 17% pulley. After that most will change the intake and exhaust, although it's hard to find one that really will increase the HP.

Hope this helps alittle.
Thanks for the help, I noticed that Dinan does a program as well, is that worth it?

I just picked up an 03 MCS last night and was just wondering if there were a few easy mods. It came with a CAI, I have no idea if that actually does anything for this car or not.

My other car is a 350Z and I have that pretty well maxed out to the point that I want to keep it NA, and not crack the engine.

Thanks!!!
 
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Search, Read, Search... and check out the sigs!
Reading the Sigs might be the best place to find out what MOD's we are all using!, and which ones work.
 
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Originally Posted by MINICHEF
... and check out the sigs!
Reading the Sigs might be the best place to find out what MOD's we are all using!, and which ones work.
 
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Originally Posted by MINICHEF
Search, Read, Search... and check out the sigs!
Reading the Sigs might be the best place to find out what MOD's we are all using!, and which ones work.
See that's the funny thing...just because people are using certian parts doesn't mean they work. I would say that over half the CAI with metal boxes and/or no tops are junk/dont do anything for hp.
 
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Thanks for the help, I noticed that Dinan does a program as well, is that worth it?

I just picked up an 03 MCS last night and was just wondering if there were a few easy mods. It came with a CAI, I have no idea if that actually does anything for this car or not.

My other car is a 350Z and I have that pretty well maxed out to the point that I want to keep it NA, and not crack the engine.

Thanks!!!
Most of dinan's stuff is overpriced. I went with their intake and exhaust because I was able to find them used for cheap. Plus I like the fact that the CAI is a complete box made out of plastic so it wont leak and wont absorb heat from the motor. The exhaust is really just a overpriced one-ball exhaust but I was able to get one again used for cheap.
 
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This information came out in 2004 few years old but it may serve as a starting point to get a rough idea of what you can get.

Cold air intake # with and with out open back (opened back box did not change the
HP) 1.5%

Cold air intake # same as above with K&N filter 2.0%
ECU re map base * 1.5%
ECU re map with all above mods #~ 2.0%
Header all but 2 (#)‘ racing 2.5%

Free flow exhaust 2.0 into single free flow muffler 3.75
Free flow exhaust 2.5’ into single free flow muffler # 4.25%
Under drive Super charger pulley 15 % # ** 2.0%
Crank pulley not exceeding total with super charger pulley of 15%** 2.0%

Under drive pulley combo crank @ 19% AAAAAA 1.5% (Super Charger Limits @
test RPM)
Ignition upgrade 8mm (8.5 or 9mm no benefit)or larger wires true HP coil(MSD)
1.5%
MSD DIS with above #3.0%
Ram intake tube/manifold** * 1.50

60mm TB( larger 62 or 64mm TB showed no increase levels)#** 1.5%
After market modified Supercharger*** 4.75%
After-market head and cam combo # (must have some or all the above to achieve
max %) 23.5%

After-market head and cam combo alone 12%


So if you have a 160 HP base engine then with the best combo you could possibly achieve
55% 248 HP


Information based on theoretical calculation and independent dyno information from mostly these sources below.


ALTA
http://www.altaminiperformance.com/

DMH Motorsports
http://www.dmhmotorsports.net/

Dinan
http://www.dinancars.com/

HELIX
http://www.helix13.com/mini/products

K&N Filters
http://www.knfilters.com/

Mini Madness
http://www.mini-madness.com/

M7
http://www.m7tuning.com/home.html

Mini Mania
http://new.minimania.com/

MSD
http://www.msdignition.com/

Web Motorsports
http://www.webbmotorsports.com/


I hope this helps a little. I may have left a couple out but my list was not complete on the sources.

Also check out this thread. It has some of the wildest MINIs around.

The Official Mad-Modder Club

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=106281
 

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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
This information came out in 2004 few years old but it may serve as a starting point to get a rough idea of what you can get.

Cold air intake # with and with out open back (opened back box did not change the
HP) 1.5%

Cold air intake # same as above with K&N filter 2.0%
ECU re map base * 1.5%
ECU re map with all above mods #~ 2.0%
Header all but 2 (#)‘ racing 2.5%

Free flow exhaust 2.0 into single free flow muffler 3.75
Free flow exhaust 2.5’ into single free flow muffler # 4.25%
Under drive Super charger pulley 15 % # ** 2.0%
Crank pulley not exceeding total with super charger pulley of 15%** 2.0%

Under drive pulley combo crank @ 19% AAAAAA 1.5% (Super Charger Limits @
test RPM)
Ignition upgrade 8mm (8.5 or 9mm no benefit)or larger wires true HP coil(MSD)
1.5%
MSD DIS with above #3.0%
Ram intake tube/manifold** * 1.50

60mm TB( larger 62 or 64mm TB showed no increase levels)#** 1.5%
After market modified Supercharger*** 4.75%
After-market head and cam combo # (must have some or all the above to achieve
max %) 23.5%

After-market head and cam combo alone 12%


So if you have a 160 HP base engine then with the best combo you could possibly achieve
55% 248 HP


Information based on theoretical calculation and independent dyno information from mostly these sources below.


ALTA
http://www.altaminiperformance.com/

DMH Motorsports
http://www.dmhmotorsports.net/

Dinan
http://www.dinancars.com/

HELIX
http://www.helix13.com/mini/products

K&N Filters
http://www.knfilters.com/

Mini Madness
http://www.mini-madness.com/

M7
http://www.m7tuning.com/home.html

Mini Mania
http://new.minimania.com/

MSD
http://www.msdignition.com/

Web Motorsports
http://www.webbmotorsports.com/


I hope this helps a little. I may have left a couple out but my list was not complete on the sources.

Also check out this thread. It has some of the wildest MINIs around.

The Official Mad-Modder Club

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=106281

See I'm sure that's what he was looking for. Not any smart comments about using the search button
 
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Real mature.
Haha after your first comment on this post, you're saying that mine wasn't mature.

I was just making a point.

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 02:34 AM
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also you might want to look into Jan's work....www.revolutionmini.com.
 
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If your into planning here are some stages that Longboard posted. Keep in mind this was back in december so things may have changed.

Mini Cooper Performance Stages by Longboard

Stage 1

* Alta CIA
* Alta 15% pulley
* RMW tune
* One Ball Exhaust
* Brake Upgrade

Stage 2

* Alta CAI
* Alta 15% pulley
* OBX Header
* Milltek Cat Back
* JCW 380cc injectors
* RMW tune

Stage 3

* Alta CAI
* Alta 15% pulley
* GP Intercooler
* RMW Header
* RMW Cat Back
* RMW Head
* RMW 440cc injectors
* RMW Tune
* Clutch

Stage 4

* RMW Rotrex Kit
* RMW Intercooler
* RMW Header
* RMW Cat Back
* RMW Head
* RMW Port Matched Intake
* RMW 440cc injectors
* RMW Tune
* Clutch

Stage 5

* RMW 2.0 L Crate Motor
* RMW Intercooler
* RMW Rotrex Kit
* RMW Header
* RMW Cat Back
* RMW Tune
* Water/Methanol Injection
 
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And here is suspension.

Mini Cooper Suspension Stages by Longboard

Stage 1

* Rear Sway Bar 19mm or 22mm
* Performance Wheels and Tires

Stage 2

* Rear Sway Bar 19mm or 22mm
* Progressive Rate Springs
* Helix Rear Control Arm’s (Lower)

Stage 3

* Rear Sway Bar 22mm
* Progressive Rate Springs
* Koni FSD’s
* Helix Rear Control Arm’s (Lower)

Stage 4

* Rear Sway Bar 22mm
* Progressive Rate Springs
* Koni FSD’s
* OMP Upper Strut Bar (My Opinion The Best)
* OMP Lower Strut Bar
* Rear Drop Links
* Ireland Engineering Fixed Camber Plates
* Helix Control Arm’s (Lower)

Stage 5

* Rear Sway Bar 22mm
* JIC Coilovers and Camber plates
* OMP Upper Strut
* OMP Lower Strut Bar
* Rear Drop Links
* Helix Control arms (Upper and Lower)
 
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 07:14 AM
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WOW, great stuff guys, someone needs to make that a sticky.

I am kinda bummed that it doesn;t look like there is a drop in chip to increase the HP with huge gains like on my old VW 1.8t engine. I guess that is difference between SC and turbo?
 
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I know what you mean Rodh. On my old neon forum there was a permanent sticky that was called "noob's guide to hp" and another called "suspension guide for noobs" and it was a basic step by step modding process that explained very what mods to do first, and why. its very helpful to newcomers and def. cuts down on repetative questions.

also the search option on this forum leaves a lot to be desired. you get hit with 1000s of posts. if you try to search "steering wheel", there is no option to find posts with those words only. it pulls up every post with the word wheel, with the word steering, and with both words in them. so you try to find something on a steering wheel and get slammed with posts about wheel sizes.

so yes, someone should take the above posts and make a sticky of it.
 
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WOW, great stuff guys, someone needs to make that a sticky.

I am kinda bummed that it doesn;t look like there is a drop in chip to increase the HP with huge gains like on my old VW 1.8t engine. I guess that is difference between SC and turbo?


There are chips out there, but some cause the car to run dangerous, and really arent worth the money. We do have a tuner who comes around the country and does tuning parties, Just got tuned yesterday and pulled 250WHP and 210tq, he does it all custom, changing the fuel trims, traction control etc. Its really worth the money.

One quesiton you need to ask yourself is how far your willing to go, and what your wanting to acheive?

Feel free to ask questions,


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I know what you mean Rodh. On my old neon forum there was a permanent sticky that was called "noob's guide to hp" and another called "suspension guide for noobs" and it was a basic step by step modding process that explained very what mods to do first, and why. its very helpful to newcomers and def. cuts down on repetative questions.

also the search option on this forum leaves a lot to be desired. you get hit with 1000s of posts. if you try to search "steering wheel", there is no option to find posts with those words only. it pulls up every post with the word wheel, with the word steering, and with both words in them. so you try to find something on a steering wheel and get slammed with posts about wheel sizes.

so yes, someone should take the above posts and make a sticky of it.

Snypr try using the search titles only, it really helps weed things out!

Jack
 
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Originally Posted by Nitrominis
This information came out in 2004 few years old but it may serve as a starting point to get a rough idea of what you can get.

Cold air intake # with and with out open back (opened back box did not change the
HP) 1.5%

Cold air intake # same as above with K&N filter 2.0%
ECU re map base * 1.5%
ECU re map with all above mods #~ 2.0%
Header all but 2 (#)‘ racing 2.5%

Free flow exhaust 2.0 into single free flow muffler 3.75
Free flow exhaust 2.5’ into single free flow muffler # 4.25%
Under drive Super charger pulley 15 % # ** 2.0%
Crank pulley not exceeding total with super charger pulley of 15%** 2.0%

Under drive pulley combo crank @ 19% AAAAAA 1.5% (Super Charger Limits @
test RPM)
Ignition upgrade 8mm (8.5 or 9mm no benefit)or larger wires true HP coil(MSD)
1.5%
MSD DIS with above #3.0%
Ram intake tube/manifold** * 1.50

60mm TB( larger 62 or 64mm TB showed no increase levels)#** 1.5%
After market modified Supercharger*** 4.75%
After-market head and cam combo # (must have some or all the above to achieve
max %) 23.5%

After-market head and cam combo alone 12%


So if you have a 160 HP base engine then with the best combo you could possibly achieve
55% 248 HP


Information based on theoretical calculation and independent dyno information from mostly these sources below.
First off, the idea of this thread is sound as long as it's somewhat accurate,but...

Nitrominis, some issues with your post:
A CAI w/ a K&N filter makes the same HP as a reduction pulley? An exhaust makes twice what a pulley does? Could you show us where/how a DIS makes 3%...again more than a pulley...and enough with MSD already .
These are just the ones that stand way out. There are others that are very questionable.

JeffC:
That post by Longboard is little less than an advertisement for RMW. I doubt there's a damn thing wrong with any of those parts, but it is what it is. Where's the mention of a Twin-Charge kit? Where's the mention of a turbo conversion kit? There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.

Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied
 
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\There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.

Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied

Not trying to start a thing but I have YET to see a tuner post a 250whp chart for an m45. Also have not heard much about any toher tuners or heads make near the power he has been pulling out of these cars.

Just saying

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Not trying to start a thing but I have YET to see a tuner post a 250whp chart for an m45. Also have not heard much about any toher tuners or heads make near the power he has been pulling out of these cars.

Just saying

jack
You are correct if you're saying that RMW builds good systems. That appears to be Jan's strong point. For tunes, look to Behe (yes, I know, a 4 letter word around here) out east or to Mynes out west. For heads, look to Thumper in Florida or I'm sure you could still get a Mary head if you poked around a bit. Some will say that an Endyn or Wegner head is right up there. You ever here of a guy named Isellem? He at one point, and for several years running, had the quickest and fastest M45 MINI out there...until Paul Webster fianlly caught up. He didn't get his headwork done by any of the aforementioned. All I'm really saying is that a sticky like that should not be an advertisement for RWM, Alta or whoever when there are other parts that will and have done the same thing.

On a side note, anyone hear from Don at DMH lately?
 
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