Drivetrain Link/List of mods for S to increase HP?
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Last I checked Behe aka LDG wasnt doing so hot, I also dont think longboards "Sticky" was an advertisement for Alta and RMW considering it had the brand names ; RMW, OBX, Milltek, Alta, KONI, Helix, JCW, OMP, etc. Also Isellem may have head the fastest DRIVER, not the fastest CAR.
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Last I checked Behe aka LDG wasnt doing so hot, I also dont think longboards "Sticky" was an advertisement for Alta and RMW considering it had the brand names ; RMW, OBX, Milltek, Alta, KONI, Helix, JCW, OMP, etc. Also Isellem may have head the fastest DRIVER, not the fastest CAR.
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I would have to say in this case, yes it is, Agreed?.
Ok, ok...let me change it...
The skill of the driver doesn't get the car down the strip at a higher speed.
The skill of the driver does get the car down the strip at a lower time.
Happy?
Back on topic please?
The skill of the driver doesn't get the car down the strip at a higher speed.
The skill of the driver does get the car down the strip at a lower time.
Happy?
Back on topic please?
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Your right it is what it is. Post the information you have on Twin-charge Kit and Turbo Conversions. Also feel free to post others that Tune Mini's.
JeffC:
That post by Longboard is little less than an advertisement for RMW. I doubt there's a damn thing wrong with any of those parts, but it is what it is. Where's the mention of a Twin-Charge kit? Where's the mention of a turbo conversion kit? There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.
Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied
JeffC:
That post by Longboard is little less than an advertisement for RMW. I doubt there's a damn thing wrong with any of those parts, but it is what it is. Where's the mention of a Twin-Charge kit? Where's the mention of a turbo conversion kit? There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.
Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied
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Why is it important to you to change how I feel?
Post information related to the original post and if you want to add specific parts and brands feel free to this is a open forum. You seem to have a axe to grind no one else here seems to have a issue.
Post information related to the original post and if you want to add specific parts and brands feel free to this is a open forum. You seem to have a axe to grind no one else here seems to have a issue.
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First off, the idea of this thread is sound as long as it's somewhat accurate,but...
.and enough with MSD already.
JeffC:
That post by Longboard is little less than an advertisement for RMW. I doubt there's a damn thing wrong with any of those parts, but it is what it is. Where's the mention of a Twin-Charge kit? Where's the mention of a turbo conversion kit? There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.
Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied
.and enough with MSD already
.JeffC:
That post by Longboard is little less than an advertisement for RMW. I doubt there's a damn thing wrong with any of those parts, but it is what it is. Where's the mention of a Twin-Charge kit? Where's the mention of a turbo conversion kit? There are other tunes out there that get the results that Jan does....I know, blasphemy! He's just a lot more aggressive about getting out into our communities and making some WHP & $$$. The RWM head isn't the only game in town either.
Just some thoughts before things like this get blindly stickied
Ok first off please see that I said this was dated information from all of these vendor sources in 2004.
Also it is not so much as the individual as the combination ( see the # AAA and ** )of parts that equates to the whole number. When this was made it was much more extensive with it formula. It is just a rough draft that was made to use only as a guide. A little common sense is needed to be able to use it.
I thought the msd thing would get to some but it was as this information was available then. Times change. Right?
I am being sarcastically funny BTW. Please don't take it personal.
You make very good points about the list.It might interest some that a leading publisher was talking about a How to hot rod a mini. But as of this date has postponed partly because of so many discrepancies in information of claims by manufactures. Also on a technical publication an ASE must give the thumbs up for a publication like that. And none seem to want to place their approval on such a publication. Even MC2 was going to have a supplemental on the subject and has yet to publish it. Perhaps because of the same reason? Makes you wonder what you can really trust.
These forums are not a conclusive or absolute statement on the best of anything available but rather a starting point of information to begin a plan on what to do to your Mini. My best advise has always been to find a friend or someone that has a MINI that runs the way you would like yours to run and handle and some what duplicate what they have done.
NAM is not the reporting forum for every vendor there is. Believe it or not there are many that have attained high levels of performance in handling and HP that do not post here.
Can we all try not to make this yet another thread AD for rmw?
Last edited by Nitrominis; Jul 20, 2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason: added see the # AAA and **
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The one common denominator in parts selection that most parts available i.e. CAIs, I/Cs, exhaust systems is they all work relatively well together. And there is not yet anybody that has the absolute combination for the highest gain. Even if you look at the hundreds of Dyno pulls available with the different parts combination they are all over the torque and Hp curve. You may consider starting to seek out a Vendor that has a large variety of different available manufactures and or parts to talk to. And also a vendor that has a long history with Mini’s.
These are a few that have been around since about 2002 or before
Mini Madness ( does his own CNC work on heads and other performance parts highly knowledgeable)
Mini Mania ( long history and expertise in performance mini’s old and new)
Helix ( updated performance information and technology)
DMH (they build race mini’s and parts that go world wide)
M7 ( innovative and motivated to build performance parts)
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT A STICKY SUCH AS THIS SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE NEUTRAL IN REGARDS TO VENDORS. Cool?
Here's some reading:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=95473
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ght=fireballed
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ght=fireballed
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ght=fireballed
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...1&postcount=95
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...9&postcount=90
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...9&postcount=61
Inconceivable!!!
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You are correct if you're saying that RMW builds good systems. That appears to be Jan's strong point. For tunes, look to Behe (yes, I know, a 4 letter word around here) out east or to Mynes out west. For heads, look to Thumper in Florida or I'm sure you could still get a Mary head if you poked around a bit. Some will say that an Endyn or Wegner head is right up there. You ever here of a guy named Isellem? He at one point, and for several years running, had the quickest and fastest M45 MINI out there...until Paul Webster fianlly caught up. He didn't get his headwork done by any of the aforementioned. All I'm really saying is that a sticky like that should not be an advertisement for RWM, Alta or whoever when there are other parts that will and have done the same thing.
On a side note, anyone hear from Don at DMH lately?
On a side note, anyone hear from Don at DMH lately?
Don @DMH is doing very well. He barley has time to talk on the phone. I was just talking with him the other day. Comparing notes on our F/I rail dead head conversion. He sells it as an install in shop I just built my own.
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NAM if you did ban those two, you need to get your ***** straight ASAP.
Relax....
This is from years ago
Neither Alta nor Jan are banned. Talk about something being taken totally out of context in like 1 post from the original.
Yeah silversomke06 talks out his *** a lot, but hey, once you see it for a while you tend to dismiss everything members like that have to say cause 99% of the time it's pure BS.
BTW..comments like "losers like silversmoke06" while true tend to get the other party upset and they start calling names back then the mods need to get involved cause others that have nothing to do with it get upset another post is ruined so its reported.
This is from years ago
Neither Alta nor Jan are banned. Talk about something being taken totally out of context in like 1 post from the original.
Yeah silversomke06 talks out his *** a lot, but hey, once you see it for a while you tend to dismiss everything members like that have to say cause 99% of the time it's pure BS.
BTW..comments like "losers like silversmoke06" while true tend to get the other party upset and they start calling names back then the mods need to get involved cause others that have nothing to do with it get upset another post is ruined so its reported.
Ya, that is interesting. Normally I have gone to boards they will have a sticky that list the common engine mods and what to expect HP wise and links to the products and maybe even some links to reviews, dino's etc....
I did do a search but there is so much info it is almost overwelming, thats why I was asking if there was a basic guide or link with a summary.
I did do a search but there is so much info it is almost overwelming, thats why I was asking if there was a basic guide or link with a summary.
I know what you mean Rodh. On my old neon forum there was a permanent sticky that was called "noob's guide to hp" and another called "suspension guide for noobs" and it was a basic step by step modding process that explained very what mods to do first, and why. its very helpful to newcomers and def. cuts down on repetative questions.
also the search option on this forum leaves a lot to be desired. you get hit with 1000s of posts. if you try to search "steering wheel", there is no option to find posts with those words only. it pulls up every post with the word wheel, with the word steering, and with both words in them. so you try to find something on a steering wheel and get slammed with posts about wheel sizes.
so yes, someone should take the above posts and make a sticky of it.
also the search option on this forum leaves a lot to be desired. you get hit with 1000s of posts. if you try to search "steering wheel", there is no option to find posts with those words only. it pulls up every post with the word wheel, with the word steering, and with both words in them. so you try to find something on a steering wheel and get slammed with posts about wheel sizes.
so yes, someone should take the above posts and make a sticky of it.
Here's the point, say "15% reduction pulley", not "Alta/Helix/Webb/KMD/Madness/Palo Uber 15% pulley". Say "Cat-back exhaust" in stage one or two instead of "Borla/Milltek/Magnaflow/Larini/OBX/Ireland cat-back exhaust". It may be that the RMW system is the best way to go on some places...just don't make it an advertisement. Simple enough it would seem...
it does seem that people who tout something other than rmw stuff are made fun of here. while i very much am anticipating a jan tune when helix moves, and very much appreciates jan's comments on what makes hp and what doesn't (like, say cai's!).....i don't necessarily want what everyone else has. i love the youification of the mini and we should enjoy diverse inputs....provided they're made in an appropriate way
happy trails y'all
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hey I could be wrong
In a PM sent to me by a un named NAM moderator I was told that we here in search for extreme power and performance levels are but a small percentage of the Mini community here and in general. With 1 million minis e now been sold I tend to believe that statement. We are the adrenaline junkies driven in competition to get the edge on the next guy (gal). So in the spirit of competition it’s all-fair. I was also lectured that many of us that my have issues on this forum are very different in person. Dr. Jackal Mr. Hide net personalities. “Or alcohol maybe boredom” ?
In a PM sent to me by a un named NAM moderator I was told that we here in search for extreme power and performance levels are but a small percentage of the Mini community here and in general. With 1 million minis e now been sold I tend to believe that statement. We are the adrenaline junkies driven in competition to get the edge on the next guy (gal). So in the spirit of competition it’s all-fair. I was also lectured that many of us that my have issues on this forum are very different in person. Dr. Jackal Mr. Hide net personalities. “Or alcohol maybe boredom” ?
+1
it does seem that people who tout something other than rmw stuff are made fun of here. while i very much am anticipating a jan tune when helix moves, and very much appreciates jan's comments on what makes hp and what doesn't (like, say cai's!).....i don't necessarily want what everyone else has. i love the youification of the mini and we should enjoy diverse inputs....provided they're made in an appropriate way
happy trails y'all
it does seem that people who tout something other than rmw stuff are made fun of here. while i very much am anticipating a jan tune when helix moves, and very much appreciates jan's comments on what makes hp and what doesn't (like, say cai's!).....i don't necessarily want what everyone else has. i love the youification of the mini and we should enjoy diverse inputs....provided they're made in an appropriate way
happy trails y'all
like right now, Im wondering whats the smallest wheel i can go to and still fit a big brake kit. typing in "brake or rotor" pulls up a ton.
hey I could be wrong
In a PM sent to me by a un named NAM moderator I was told that we here in search for extreme power and performance levels are but a small percentage of the Mini community here and in general. With 1 million minis e now been sold I tend to believe that statement. We are the adrenaline junkies driven in competition to get the edge on the next guy (gal). So in the spirit of competition it’s all-fair. I was also lectured that many of us that my have issues on this forum are very different in person. Dr. Jackal Mr. Hide net personalities. “Or alcohol maybe boredom” ?
In a PM sent to me by a un named NAM moderator I was told that we here in search for extreme power and performance levels are but a small percentage of the Mini community here and in general. With 1 million minis e now been sold I tend to believe that statement. We are the adrenaline junkies driven in competition to get the edge on the next guy (gal). So in the spirit of competition it’s all-fair. I was also lectured that many of us that my have issues on this forum are very different in person. Dr. Jackal Mr. Hide net personalities. “Or alcohol maybe boredom” ?
it's simple Jack
because they can't
RMW IS THE ONLY TUNER IN THE WORLD MAKING THAT KIND OF POWER with the stock M45
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rodH
I am sorry that this post has gotten way off topic. To try and help with your original question it is a good thing to know how much HP you are actually looking for and how you intend to use the car. At times the best laid plans will go astray. HP is a little addictive and sometimes you just want more. If you are looking for 190/200 WHP a pulley (15 or 17%) and a good tune (RMW) will get you pretty close. If you are looking for 240/250 WHP you will need quite a bit more, head, cam, header, exhaust, pulley, injectors all followed by a good tune. Don't waste you money buying a bunch of parts hoping that they will work together because they may not. Find yourself a good tuner (like RMW) and buy a system that has been proven. Jan at RMW has a great reputation for doing just that and I speak from personal experiance. Pick up the phone and give him a call (he never sleeps) and is always willing to take the time to give you his professional opinion.
Steve
I am sorry that this post has gotten way off topic. To try and help with your original question it is a good thing to know how much HP you are actually looking for and how you intend to use the car. At times the best laid plans will go astray. HP is a little addictive and sometimes you just want more. If you are looking for 190/200 WHP a pulley (15 or 17%) and a good tune (RMW) will get you pretty close. If you are looking for 240/250 WHP you will need quite a bit more, head, cam, header, exhaust, pulley, injectors all followed by a good tune. Don't waste you money buying a bunch of parts hoping that they will work together because they may not. Find yourself a good tuner (like RMW) and buy a system that has been proven. Jan at RMW has a great reputation for doing just that and I speak from personal experiance. Pick up the phone and give him a call (he never sleeps) and is always willing to take the time to give you his professional opinion.
Steve
rodH
I am sorry that this post has gotten way off topic. To try and help with your original question it is a good thing to know how much HP you are actually looking for and how you intend to use the car. At times the best laid plans will go astray. HP is a little addictive and sometimes you just want more. If you are looking for 190/200 WHP a pulley (15 or 17%) and a good tune (RMW) will get you pretty close. If you are looking for 240/250 WHP you will need quite a bit more, head, cam, header, exhaust, pulley, injectors all followed by a good tune. Don't waste you money buying a bunch of parts hoping that they will work together because they may not. Find yourself a good tuner (like RMW) and buy a system that has been proven. Jan at RMW has a great reputation for doing just that and I speak from personal experiance. Pick up the phone and give him a call (he never sleeps) and is always willing to take the time to give you his professional opinion.
Steve
I am sorry that this post has gotten way off topic. To try and help with your original question it is a good thing to know how much HP you are actually looking for and how you intend to use the car. At times the best laid plans will go astray. HP is a little addictive and sometimes you just want more. If you are looking for 190/200 WHP a pulley (15 or 17%) and a good tune (RMW) will get you pretty close. If you are looking for 240/250 WHP you will need quite a bit more, head, cam, header, exhaust, pulley, injectors all followed by a good tune. Don't waste you money buying a bunch of parts hoping that they will work together because they may not. Find yourself a good tuner (like RMW) and buy a system that has been proven. Jan at RMW has a great reputation for doing just that and I speak from personal experiance. Pick up the phone and give him a call (he never sleeps) and is always willing to take the time to give you his professional opinion.
Steve
Thanks for the reply. Ya, I was just looking to do a few basic mods, if a few can get me close to 190/200 then that is great, and probably the route I will go. If it takes several thousand dollars to get me there, I will just keep it stock.