Drivetrain 315WHP no M45 or NOS...
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While I see the loyalty I am amazed at how many can be lead to follow blindly. I believe this is know as "crowd psychology"
Without going into a lengthy defense I called many pro shops and venders and inquired about RMW parts and tune. It seems that the conclusion was as follows. RMW has a nice head but NOT a super head as claimed. No one really wants anything to do with the RMW cam because it was said the profile does require a CUSTOM one on one tune? Perhaps RMW has it down but from what I read it is a matter of how much time and money you want to spend for the highest WHP you can achieve. Also his numbers are not so fantastic if you get out of this narrow community and explore other shops that are building track Minis. They have the opinion that this market of RMW followers is small and they do not need to impress it. To drop one vender/builder George at Mini Madness has some rather impressive Dyno sheets that would rival RMW from what I see. And there are others as well. You just have to call them and ask for references. As for the secret specification you would think he would post them so if someone did copy every one would know it.
We can debate this all day long and I will never get the answer HERE that I asked for. The main point is as a business (questionable) RMW has some very different ideas. Not in anyway common with the performance world as everyone does it.
As for the BBB you need to call them and ask what they do. I can tell the person who responded has no clue what the BBB really does or has NEVER owned a business. It was just one source I used to find out information and the quality of service. Even today I can not seem to find anywhere that RMW is a registered or licensed business. but then you do not have to be either if you are operating out of your home. One example although a legitimate business is Detroit Tuned. The owner has his shop right at his house in his garage. And you can find DT listed in the BBB and a few other places, like the phone information !
Without going into a lengthy defense I called many pro shops and venders and inquired about RMW parts and tune. It seems that the conclusion was as follows. RMW has a nice head but NOT a super head as claimed. No one really wants anything to do with the RMW cam because it was said the profile does require a CUSTOM one on one tune? Perhaps RMW has it down but from what I read it is a matter of how much time and money you want to spend for the highest WHP you can achieve. Also his numbers are not so fantastic if you get out of this narrow community and explore other shops that are building track Minis. They have the opinion that this market of RMW followers is small and they do not need to impress it. To drop one vender/builder George at Mini Madness has some rather impressive Dyno sheets that would rival RMW from what I see. And there are others as well. You just have to call them and ask for references. As for the secret specification you would think he would post them so if someone did copy every one would know it.
We can debate this all day long and I will never get the answer HERE that I asked for. The main point is as a business (questionable) RMW has some very different ideas. Not in anyway common with the performance world as everyone does it.
As for the BBB you need to call them and ask what they do. I can tell the person who responded has no clue what the BBB really does or has NEVER owned a business. It was just one source I used to find out information and the quality of service. Even today I can not seem to find anywhere that RMW is a registered or licensed business. but then you do not have to be either if you are operating out of your home. One example although a legitimate business is Detroit Tuned. The owner has his shop right at his house in his garage. And you can find DT listed in the BBB and a few other places, like the phone information !
I'm not sure what you've seen or read about MINI Madness, but they're nowhere close to RMW in terms of performance achieved. I had the MINI Madness Stage 4 kit on my first MINI. One of the Dyno sheets on their website is from MY CAR (Which they stuck up there without even asking)! Comparing apples to apples, the RMW head, header, exhaust, pulley, tune, and W2A is making 270+ wheel HP. The highest i've seen on the madness Stage 4 kit is 238 (Which was from my car, and having owned that one, and the car I own now, this one is MUCH faster).
There are literally hundreds of threads on here about RMW Dyno results. All you need to do is stop grinding your axe long enough to do a little reading.
It's fairly obvious that you don't care what anyone says, your only motivation is to prove that RMW is crap.
As for the crowd mentality, there wasn't any crowd when I met Jan. I was the 3rd head installed, and I did it on blind faith, because I'd heard good things about what he did back in the pioneering days of twincharge (People still haven't caught up to some of those records).
If you're going to be an ignoramus, take your negativity to another thread. This one is about making history.
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From what I have found out RMW uses valves, double springs, and retainers from SuperTech. They can be purchased anywhere. Diameter depends on budget. SupererTech’s are 5.92 and CHE guides. http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/heads.htm
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
All this information and all RMW had to do was just post the cam spec's like every other vender/manufacture would??? Those coming later !! Hint.. Lift 235in/241ex
You know what is sad is that in many post replies from RMW he alway comments to others "wheres you DATA" ? Data is also specifications don't you think?
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
All this information and all RMW had to do was just post the cam spec's like every other vender/manufacture would??? Those coming later !! Hint.. Lift 235in/241ex
You know what is sad is that in many post replies from RMW he alway comments to others "wheres you DATA" ? Data is also specifications don't you think?
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
From what I have found out RMW uses valves, double springs, and retainers from SuperTech. They can be purchased anywhere. Diameter depends on budget. SupererTech’s are 5.92. PSI springs and retainers, and CHE guides. http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/heads.htm
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
PS: Grammar, Spelling, and Punctuation are your friends.
Might I suggest ieSpell? Or if you're actually savvy enough to have a Mac or use Firefox, TURN ON SPELL CHECK!
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You guys are ALL killing my mid-afternoon Southern Comfort buzz. 
What the hell is wrong with you.....especially that guy Tuls, Mega Mini and Jan. They flat out suck...they dont know what they are talking about and have to give out all the GS-14 CLASSIFIED information out because someone asked. On with the 6 Million HP thread!
Im gonna go take a stroll and see how many cops can follow me....
What the hell is wrong with you.....especially that guy Tuls, Mega Mini and Jan. They flat out suck...they dont know what they are talking about and have to give out all the GS-14 CLASSIFIED information out because someone asked. On with the 6 Million HP thread! Im gonna go take a stroll and see how many cops can follow me....
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You guys are ALL killing my mid-afternoon Southern Comfort buzz. What the hell is wrong with you.....especially that guy Tuls, Mega Mini and Jan. They flat out suck...they dont know what they are talking about and have to give out all the GS-14 CLASSIFIED information out because someone asked. On with the 6 Million HP thread! Im gonna go take a stroll and see how many cops can follow me....
What the hell is wrong with you.....especially that guy Tuls, Mega Mini and Jan. They flat out suck...they dont know what they are talking about and have to give out all the GS-14 CLASSIFIED information out because someone asked. On with the 6 Million HP thread! Im gonna go take a stroll and see how many cops can follow me....
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Last edited by JRsMini; Apr 18, 2008 at 02:50 PM.
From what I have found out RMW uses valves, double springs, and retainers from SuperTech. They can be purchased anywhere. Diameter depends on budget. SupererTech’s are 5.92 and CHE guides. http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/heads.htm
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
All this information and all RMW had to do was just post the cam spec's like every other vender/manufacture would??? Those coming later !! Hint.. Lift 235in/241ex
You know what is sad is that in many post replies from RMW he always comments to others "wheres you DATA" ? Data is also specifications don't you think?
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
As for the comments by rustyboy155 about being ignorant …I at least researched, you just followed. So what does that make you ?
All this information and all RMW had to do was just post the cam spec's like every other vender/manufacture would??? Those coming later !! Hint.. Lift 235in/241ex
You know what is sad is that in many post replies from RMW he always comments to others "wheres you DATA" ? Data is also specifications don't you think?
Yes, all the happy customers are all under the same giant placebo effect. Unbelievable.
Yes... Jan did test a lot of cams before deciding on the currant one to sale. No, it's not one of the test units ground at Web. Totally different specs and definitely not mad cheap. Jans profit on cam's are a joke.
But you should know that since you do research and all
. As for heads, yes they are all the same .As usual it's a guy with 15 posts only about RMW who has it all figured out.
Gee, you don't have an agenda or anything do you
.Here's one for ya inspector. All this from just a head and stock ECU.
Unpossible!
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I have no idea if any of the information you posted is correct, I don't work for Jan. I don't have access to any of his technical specifications, nor do I give a crap what any of them are. I have his parts on my car because they work, that's all that matters to me.
I could care what the cam duration and lift is, or what size valves he uses. I'm not going out to make a cam, or port out my own head, so why does it matter?
Like others said, if you're that interested, but one and test it yourself. Making 270 HP to the wheels works well enough for me. I don't need to know what size valves and cam specs he uses to attain said figures.
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Now that I think of it Jan does work out of a van down by the river.....
I love NAM.
I love his argument that if you leave NAM and look around there are lots of race shops making more powerful SC minis. Funny how these said shop's and customers don't market or talk about their said cars on any Mini site in the US. Very strange indeed??? I guess they want to keep it all a big secret.
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I love NAM. I love his argument that if you leave NAM and look around there are lots of race shops making more powerful SC minis. Funny how these said shop's and customers don't market or talk about their said cars on any Mini site in the US. Very strange indeed??? I guess they want to keep it all a big secret.
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Give the guy a bit of a break...
in the Mustang world, you can get all the specs you want on the cams. Crap, you can even get new cams that are copies of older cams not made by Ford any more, and marketed as such. He's new to the RMW world, and let's just say he's a bit skeptical. WTF, he'll learn soon enough.
There are lots of ways to skin cats. It's OK if he choses a different way. Don't know how the cat will be skinned, but life will go on.
Anyway, cream rises to the top, and Jan and his parts have lots of happy customers. That says more than any vendor posted spec ever will. I know, I've tested some parts that come up, uh, how do we say it... A bit short off of web site claims.
But now to bust *****, if you really want answers, give Jan a call and ask, or just buy the parts and measure yourself. I've never found him to dodge a straight question, and I've asked a few!
Matt
There are lots of ways to skin cats. It's OK if he choses a different way. Don't know how the cat will be skinned, but life will go on.
Anyway, cream rises to the top, and Jan and his parts have lots of happy customers. That says more than any vendor posted spec ever will. I know, I've tested some parts that come up, uh, how do we say it... A bit short off of web site claims.
But now to bust *****, if you really want answers, give Jan a call and ask, or just buy the parts and measure yourself. I've never found him to dodge a straight question, and I've asked a few!
Matt
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JRsMini... Mmmm... not many posts... arrogant rambling waffle with no substance full of spelling mistakes... constantly editing replies... I smell a Rat... I smell a Roland Rat... could this person be Roland from GTT who's currently serving a ban on Mini2 and now trying to attack Jans excellent work stateside???
Either way... get a life son! Jans figures both in the US & the UK speak for themselves... think you can do it better, stop waffling and do it sucker.
Either way... get a life son! Jans figures both in the US & the UK speak for themselves... think you can do it better, stop waffling and do it sucker.
I'll be in Sarasota in another 1.5 hrs
and I love NAM
its so much fun here
I really don't know why I even do R&D there are so many brilliant experts here that can do it better yet show no proof
Cherio
and I love NAM
its so much fun here
I really don't know why I even do R&D there are so many brilliant experts here that can do it better yet show no proof
Cherio
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From what I have found out RMW uses valves, double springs, and retainers from SuperTech. They can be purchased anywhere. Diameter depends on budget. SupererTech’s are 5.92 and CHE guides. http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/heads.htm
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
CNC ported from someplace like M2Race and then the bowl work and assembly is by Port Flow. Same head as Fireball and Gintani. Or at least so close there is no difference.
The cam is by WebCam. http://webcamshafts.com/ . At least the masters are and you can get a RMW grind through them. RMW has them ground through another source that is much less expensive. By the way most any grinder will grind one up for you starting at about 100 for a regrind and a new billet at about 5 any specification you want. Now I will say RMW did spend a lot of $ and time playing around with different profiles. But from what I see none are that spectacular. I I am willing to bet RMW will change them again. So my home work has concluded that it is his tuning capabilities not his parts (although good) that is his niche.
Look dude, what's your core motivation? Do you want to learn, or do you want to bytch?
Helix Motorsports is a competitor to RMW. We have no stake in his success. We are not Kool Aid drinking fanbois. We've been at this a long time. We were the first to do a pulley, one of the staples of this industry. I've seen virtually every part that's available to MINI owners. I know what works and what doesn't on these cars. If you want an unbiased, dyno tested opinion on the RMW head, cam, or header, just give us a call, and you'll save yourself the anguish of being dog piled on the internet.
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JRsMini... Mmmm... not many posts... arrogant rambling waffle with no substance full of spelling mistakes... constantly editing replies... I smell a Rat... I smell a Roland Rat... could this person be Roland from GTT who's currently serving a ban on Mini2 and now trying to attack Jans excellent work stateside???
Either way... get a life son! Jans figures both in the US & the UK speak for themselves... think you can do it better, stop waffling and do it sucker.
Either way... get a life son! Jans figures both in the US & the UK speak for themselves... think you can do it better, stop waffling and do it sucker.
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Eric too much logic...... back to important issues like me needing a clutch.
Hows your schedule look before the dragon?
Look dude, what's your core motivation? Do you want to learn, or do you want to bytch?
Helix Motorsports is a competitor to RMW. We have no stake in his success. We are not Kool Aid drinking fanbois. We've been at this a long time. We were the first to do a pulley, one of the staples of this industry. I've seen virtually every part that's available to MINI owners. I know what works and what doesn't on these cars. If you want an unbiased, dyno tested opinion on the RMW head, cam, or header, just give us a call, and you'll save yourself the anguish of being dog piled on the internet.
Hows your schedule look before the dragon?
Look dude, what's your core motivation? Do you want to learn, or do you want to bytch?
Helix Motorsports is a competitor to RMW. We have no stake in his success. We are not Kool Aid drinking fanbois. We've been at this a long time. We were the first to do a pulley, one of the staples of this industry. I've seen virtually every part that's available to MINI owners. I know what works and what doesn't on these cars. If you want an unbiased, dyno tested opinion on the RMW head, cam, or header, just give us a call, and you'll save yourself the anguish of being dog piled on the internet.