The 53R would appear to be loud since the entire back is open. Is that the case?

 

can still use the front duct as well.

Matt

 

Yep.....I see that now.

Thanks Matt

 

Yes, it still gets air from the front grill.

Longboard

 

Not with the Rotrex .

All or most of the current CAI are open in the back.

Longboard

 

Wow, these threads never cease to amaze me. Is it any surprise that this part may not be original? How many ways can you make an intake? And why change it if it works? Sheesh, is all the arguing worth 3-5hp?

 

I don't see what all the hubbub is about. M7 deciding to make money on someone else's proven design? Not like it's the first time it happened. So they made the filter longer (or not). Who cares. Does no one see the relationship to the 15% vs 16% pulley.

They called a reduction a velocity stack? Not the first time for them to get flowery with their descriptions.

Let's face it. They saw more profit in making this themselves rather than reselling the DDM(Webb) Box. A pure money decisions and pretty much par for the course for them.

 

The custom paint was his idea. He offered and I said go crazy.

It came out really cool.

Longboard

 

And out of the darkness a voice of reason Yes it is another " Profit Scam " ( great movie name it ). We have been in the Mini buisness for 5 years and would like to continue. Jerry hit the nail on the head , we were making pennies with the DDM so why not make a few dollars with our own ?

Thank you

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Don't get snippy.

 

holy fishpaste barnacle boy! This is one heck of a discussion. It helps bring out some good info on CAIs though.

 

This is what this thread needs: NAM is making me sick!

 

you just have to dig for it buried in comments criticizing vendors for hoping to get a return on their investment.

 

+1

I disagree - flowery would read something like "our CAD generated and highly polished reducer flows greater than straight connectors by a margin" or "the innovative and impeccably finished reducer acts like a velocity stack by allowing more air to flow to the engine" and is acceptable marketing fluff.
To call a reducer a velocity stack is just incorrect.

You can't call a mule a horse - sure, if you're going to the bottom of the grand canyon, both will get you there with little or no performance difference. That doesn't make the two terms interchangeable.

 

I stand corrected.

 

The problem is--all the good information is already out there! And more. Just find any thread a year ago that I or PARTSMAN contributed to (and in Oscar tradition--I don't mean to forget all those other great people who made all this possible) and you'll see all the real information that's been provided in this thread, and about 100x more.

Despite the sarcasm, I actually believe Randy is being honest--M7 makes more money with their own CAI than wholesaling DDM or any other CAI.

 

But what's the fun of finding it when you can just ask again?

Matt

 

leave M7 alone,they just made thier own cai.nothing more nothing less.makes sense for them to make thier own products rather than seel somebody else doesnt it,since they are a manufacturer and not a retail store front.let them advertise what they want how they want,if it make you want to buy then there it is.as for the voltage intake,its louder than stock for sure,quieter than an alta, but it makes a nice indy car style sound that is really cool and doesnt whistle or make any weird noise like some other people with cai's have claimed.its good mellow but racey.

 

Hey, I agree that asking is funner and you get to interact with some great people.

I thought old dogs like you were here for just that . You know you are responsible for most of my Mini knowledge I've learned over the years. Scary I know .

Longboard

 

this thread got lame fast. i asked a question on page 4 and the vendor is too busy defending himself to answer questions. i'm disappointed.

 

The thread is fine. It swayed off a little but keeps getting back on track.

Ask you question again.

Did you get my PM?

Longboard

 

Sorry about the delay and you are rite it can get distracting on here The only advantage i see over the Pipercross , which I still have on a shelf somewhere is that our filter is more enclosed . They both breath thru the cowl which is think is the most important part of the equation. With regards to the deisgn questions I am not the guy as I had no part in putting this together . That may take a call to the office , 562 608 8123.
As for a differance performance wise between the two, I do not think there is anyone that could tell from the dirvers seat. Actually that is the case for 99% of the " CAI's " out there . Buy what you like from whom you like and you really can't go wrong with CAI's .

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

Just for information purposes, and another piece of information that has been retold many, many times here on NAM, M7 is not a manufacturer. They contract out the manufacture of products they design, or contract with manufacturers with existing designs to make "label runs" which might, or might not, offer customized specifications or parameters. This is a very common business model in the niche auto performance market, as well as many other markets, too many to name here.
M7 has built a reputation, as other companies selling products for the Mini have. They are a NAM vendor and support this website, and sometimes people associated with the company post here, like Randy has been doing on this thread.
I stand to be corrected if anything I've said above is incorrect.

 

 

The good Dr. is correct. We do not have our own Mfg. facilities and with rare exception build anything ourselves. We outsource our ideas and designs to those with expertise in the related area. The work that Cosworth does for us is a prime example . Why not collaborate with a leader in the field rather than set up our own machine shop ? One of those exceptions were the AGS cables which I made myself and what a pain in the A.. those were At the end of the day our goal is to provide the best products we can at a competitive price and still stay in business . These threads do get wild at times but in the long run it gets the phones ringing which is ALWAYS a good thing. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to keep the discussion and this thread going.

Randy
M7 Tuning