haha this was funny.

in other news i like the new idea from M7. all the way out. for some of us we don't have any parts yet or are still deciding. seeing something like this make you throw it in as a contender. i wasn't a big fan of the sound from Dinan or the JCW so i'm looking for louder and/or more interesting. makes this a contender with the pipercross one from across the pond and these are definitely polar opposites.

keep it up M7.
p.s. i love your strut bar

 

My experiments, along with those of PARTSMAN, heavily documented here on NAM, suggest that metal boxes are not preferable. They do suffer from heat soak, and they don't release heat well as they are always cooler than the ambient engine bay temperature after 2 minutes from cold start.
Fortunately, the rate at which the Mini sucks air in, the airbox temperature is relatively unimportant compared to the ambient temperature of the outside air.
I have seen excellent airbox temperatures while moving from many CAIs (unfortunately no one has ever posted temps for a stock box!)
This new CAI will probably offer the same performance advantages as any other CAI.

cheers,

 

bahama,

Why would say that?

Just because we as members question a new product? I thought that was what Mark wanted.....members hashing out vendor products.

 

There is a difference between questioning a new product and throwing out cynical comments like:


These comments don't seem to have much information gathering purpose to me.....

I agree that new products should be scrutinized to some degree, and people are right, its just another airbox. Does that mean people should start trash talking?

It gets tiresome reading the blatent disrespectful slander from people on this board directed at vendors.
These guys are here to help and offer cool products for our cars. Bashing them for no reason seems a bit absurd. I like that vendors continue to innovate and bring new things to the forefront. How bad would it suck if they just stopped altogether because of big mouths on this board?

 

Funny you mention the Pipercross system. Until I installed our AGS unit I ran a Pipercross Viper system for about 3 years . Still have it sitting around here somewhere. It also was one of the few that drew all its cool air from the cowl area something that we thought was a good idea and incorporated it in our design. Glad that you are enjoying our endeavors.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

+1

 

First a NAM member posted about his new CAI.

so questions like below would be in order.

how was the install?
how does it sound.
congrats look nice.

Vendor questions -

why the longer filter?
what kind of gains have you seen?
how much velocity do you real gain going from 3" to 2.75" ?
got a dyno on this baby?

I wonder what the comments would have been if this had a RMW logo on it. Lately there seems to be no room for vendors except RMW. The Gitanni thread is a perfect example.

All CAI are very similar in design w/ only subtle differences, filter types and construction materials. So the similarities should be no surprise. Its a nice looking box and I'd bet delivers the same performance as Alta, DDM, ect........

Its another VIABLE option.

I think M7 - laid out a good response.

 

Thank you. Discussion, questioning, & arguments welcome but lately this Board has become dark.

 

OP:
How was the install?
How does it sound?
<boilerplate niceties>

M7:
What is the advantage of the longer filter or the filter extending through the cowl?
What kind of performance gains have you measured? Do you have before and after dyno numbers?
How much of a velocity gain did you measure going from 3" to 2.75" ?

 

We all know what the comments would have been. This thread would be 20 pages long already praising RMW for their new and innovative CAI. It's pretty sad.

 

Not sure I would want to extend a big sponge into the cowl, to wick water into the intake tract. Does the cowl area remain completely dry?

 

Whats wrong with this tread? It appears to moving along just fine without any bashing until you got here to make comparisons .

Relax.

Longboard

 

From personal experience with my Piper Cross VIper which takes all its air from the cowl area I never had a water related issue due to rain. Now as we are both in So Cal how much does it really rain, yesterday not included LOL ? Seriously since 02 people have been modding the cowl area , running filters up in there ,and there has never been a report of a issue with water. ALso remember the Pipercross system is designed, built and is VERY popular in one of the wettest areas on the planet, the UK .
another thought might be that what would the problem be if some water was misted into the intake? If i was worried about that I might not have the Alky Control system in my car which FORCES water/ meth into the same spot that any water from a filter may pass by. And for you old school mechanics out there how many of you have ever dumped a glass of water directly into the open carb of a running engine to clear out carbon? Water can be your friend Bottom line is no one has had a problem from water ingested thru the cowl on a Mini that I am aware of . Your results may vary Thanks for the post.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

As Randy says, the water ingestion problem has never existed. Some Minis in New Orleans had that problem, but it was from a more serious source--if you're car's underwater, then yes, a big foam air filter will be the wrong thing to have, but an underwater Elise would be good.
Whenever the water problem arises in discussion we always seem to forget, apart from Randy's mention of the water/meth systems, that there's a *super-charger* in the path. The air temperature exiting the SC is very high, most of the time above the boiling point of water. Are we talking a significant increase in the moisture content of air (which always has some water in it, and many people -- Bart -- have run their Minis with 100+% humidity I'd guess) over normal here?
Again, water ingestion is NOT A PROBLEM with a CAI.
next...

 

I do have to say, I have been in many RMW threads and honestly, if Jan would debut a CAI like this, and all the others, I would not be bending over backwards to applaud him. Yes, I think RMW/Jan has accomplished and created some amazing products(pieces of art). He has continually made leaps and bounds for the community. But, any CAI like this is just that...the same...very minor changes like stated above. I do not think that m7 deserves any bashing for this CAI if they have been taking any. I think m7 has a nice CAI, especially since they are not just selling the DDM anymore. I do wish the AGS would return That was a piece of art and completely worthy of a 20+ page thread...just my opinion...
Take care...

 

To start selling plastic ones, you need a mold, and that's not cheap. To start selling metal ones, you just need bent metal! Both require design work, but one generates net profit faster than the other.

This isn't a pro or con on any of the CAIs... It's just how the product spaces work.

Matt

 

It can if you live where it gets cold in the winter...my DDM has been ice cold lately, whether it's after a hard run, stop and go traffic or whatever. I guess that's the benefit of 20 degree ambient temps!

 

I thought this was the most informative post here. If I was doing it over, I now know that I should have gotten a plastic box.. Dinan, JCW. Or perhaps modified the stocker to allow for a larger filter. But it's not worth switching as the main benefit of any CAI is to open up the back cowl area and stick a huge filter on, as far as I can tell.

Yeah, M7 ain't reinventing the wheel, but no reason to dump on them.

And Chris.. You might not, but.. I think a lot of people would herald a RMW CAI as.. "the next coming of christ".. if you will.

 

I agree.

Jan stands tall on his OWN merits however there are those that feel that other vendors must be pushed down for Jan to stand tall which is not the case. These people think Jan needs help, he doesn't.

 

My statement as well as Partsman - No RMW bashing here. No comparison either, just a comment about the Board.

 

I'm just glad that someone FINALLY put a velocity stack into a CAI for the MINI. For that fact alone I would consider this a contender.

 

word.

i'm gaining some interest, and very much appreciate the dialog. thanks namsters & keep it up

 

GT Tuning has had one with an air-horn from day one. It's just it's from england, and with the dollar's drop, it isn't cheap. But it's been available for years....

Matt

 

You can't even compare the M7 velocity stack with the GTT one. IMHO the M7 one is a joke! I have several M7 products and I'm happy with them, but the this product has me rethinking my faith in their products. A velocity stack should smooth out the airflow, that's why it supposed to have a megaphone shape to it...but look the the pictures posted on the M7 website:





That's design will disrupt airflow more than anything!!! And where's the rolled lip? Was any thought given to the length of the stack? Sorry, I'm not usually one to rant, but I just can't help myself this time.

 

Here's a quick tutorial on what a velocity stack should do...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_stack