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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:01 PM
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That's design will disrupt airflow more than anything!!!
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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You can't even compare the M7 velocity stack with the GTT one. IMHO the M7 one is a joke! I have several M7 products and I'm happy with them, but the this product has me rethinking my faith in their products. A velocity stack should smooth out the airflow, that's why it supposed to have a megaphone shape to it...but look the the pictures posted on the M7 website:





That's design will disrupt airflow more than anything!!! And where's the rolled lip? Was any thought given to the length of the stack? Sorry, I'm not usually one to rant, but I just can't help myself this time.
You mean like this.

 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:32 PM
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You mean like this.

Yes, THAT'S a velocity stack. I'm familiar with the GTT intake, just can't justify the cost, especially with the weak US dollar. Also, I'm not crazy about how the top of the filter is set up.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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Hmmmmmmmm...........

guess this thread really is about us debating the merits of a vendors product.

 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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Yep, I definitely see version 2 coming.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
Hmmmmmmmm...........

guess this thread really is about us debating the merits of a vendors product.

....like you had anything to do with it, or had something constructive to contribute mister peanut gallery

I thank those of you that have contributed constructively. Its good to see you guys coming out with info thats useful I had no idea what a velocity stack was or what one should look like. The diagram and description was helpful and made sense.

That GTT system is crazy looking. What is the pinwheel of death looking thing thats sitting next to it? Does it sit inside the filter at the end or something? Looks like a foam end that pops in and out for easy cleaning perhaps?

So, if the M7 velocity stack had a little tweaking then this would be a pretty desirable piece it sounds like.
I'm sure that this type of constructive criticism is appreciated by any vendor
 

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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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It is a knock-off. What more do you want. Randy claims it is a new from the ground up design. Funny that it looks like so many others.

The Pipercross system shows the end-cap filter. The springs hold it onto the base of the filter with the center going over the open end.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamabart
I agree.

Jan stands tall on his OWN merits however there are those that feel that other vendors must be pushed down for Jan to stand tall which is not the case. These people think Jan needs help, he doesn't.
Nicely said I do however hope this thread does not turn into a FUBAR like so many of the others I hope that it is at least somewhat constructive...even if this is a bit of a broken record...(not the concept, just the CAIs in general...and the antics in many of the threads).
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
It is a knock-off. What more do you want. Randy claims it is a new from the ground up design. Funny that it looks like so many others.
It is funny that all CAIs(except Dinan and JCW) look similar... seeing how they all use the stock lower box, have to fit in the same location, and source air from the same place.
How much different do you expect it to look on the outside?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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...seeing how they all use the stock lower box...
Not all of them use the stock lower box. CravenSpeed's replaces the entire OEM box. I don't know of any others as I've never tried or fitted any others.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
It is a knock-off. What more do you want. Randy claims it is a new from the ground up design. Funny that it looks like so many others.

The Pipercross system shows the end-cap filter. The springs hold it onto the base of the filter with the center going over the open end.
I guess your terminology confuses me

When I think knock off I think of a "copy". Now keep in mind that there obviously is only so many things that can be done with an intake system and to that point they all look similar. With this particular one M7 has actually tried to come up with something they can call their own. They added a "velocity stack" or at least attempted to. Granted from info in this thread its not a great one and I'm sure their reading, hense the point of this discussion.

For you to say its a knock off and like so many others hell dude, they all look alike. Did you put this much effort into any of the other companies cai releases? Just curious...

I like M7 products just as much as I like Craven or RMW or Alta. I think they all make great products and they continue to make their existing ones better. Take Craven for instance. They just redesigned there cold air intake just recently. I don't see you talking it up in that thread at all. What's the difference? Why the anergy from you towards M7?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gnatster
Not all of them use the stock lower box. CravenSpeed's replaces the entire OEM box. I don't know of any others as I've never tried or fitted any others.
Thanks for the info, I did not (obviously)know that. I think you still got the point I was making to ScottinBend.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Intense
I guess your terminology confuses me

When I think knock off I think of a "copy". Now keep in mind that there obviously is only so many things that can be done with an intake system and to that point they all look similar. With this particular one M7 has actually tried to come up with something they can call their own. They added a "velocity stack" or at least attempted to. Granted from info in this thread its not a great one and I'm sure their reading, hense the point of this discussion.

For you to say its a knock off and like so many others hell dude, they all look alike. Did you put this much effort into any of the other companies cai releases? Just curious...

I like M7 products just as much as I like Craven or RMW or Alta. I think they all make great products and they continue to make their existing ones better. Take Craven for instance. They just redesigned there cold air intake just recently. I don't see you talking it up in that thread at all. What's the difference? Why the anergy from you towards M7?
Umm they don't all look alike...remember the AGS?? Now that was inovative and something worth talking about. This however is just a tweak on a product that has been around for years by other vendors.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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Umm they don't all look alike...remember the AGS?? Now that was inovative and something worth talking about. This however is just a tweak on a product that has been around for years by other vendors.
You are correct sir! Sorry about that, I wish that thing was still being made.... I would own one for sure
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottinBend
It is a knock-off. What more do you want. Randy claims it is a new from the ground up design. Funny that it looks like so many others.

The Pipercross system shows the end-cap filter. The springs hold it onto the base of the filter with the center going over the open end.
A knock-off is more of like Sony compared to Emprex. This is a quality product and although it does look similar to many other intakes they all look the same. look at pilo mini madness and helix they look similar as do alta, ddm and now m7 and there are others that are just from left-field in the design
 

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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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And you guys think this is a new idea,mine has a velocity stack in it and i bought it over a year ago.get with the program people.VP for life.or at least as long as i own a mini.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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And you guys think this is a new idea,mine has a velocity stack in it and i bought it over a year ago.get with the program people.VP for life.or at least as long as i own a mini.
So do you have the GTT cai?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't M7 originally selling a relabel DDM intake not too long ago? This "new" intake looks just like the DDM, minus a couple of screws for the lid, add a bit longer filter and a "velocity stack." That is what this is, correct?

Oh, and just for the record I have a DDM intake and I'm very happy with it.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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a velocity stack seems like it wouldn't do squat north of the super charger. And I have personally doubted that the mini ever pulls air into the cowl once under way. I think that sitting idle yes of course it does, so as far as recovery, it's worthwhile put while under motion I figure it's not going to do anything.

Please some one with some more technical knowledge tell me that i'm wrong.

Otherwise it's more of the same. "Polishing Turds" as a wise man I know once said. All of these airboxes are pretty much the same. Especially the metal ones. Like phil said these cars pull air in fast enough where it doesn't matter all that much.

One thing that is for sure is these huge foam filter open boxes are dyno queens. They will always show their results on the dyno but in real application will do not much more then make more noise.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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if thats a picture of whats in the m7 box then its not a velocity stack.id call it a reducer.i have the voltage products 53r and it has a real velocity stack inside.wont that long m7 filter get wet if it rains since it sticks out so far thru the cowl?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by minimusprime
a velocity stack seems like it wouldn't do squat north of the super charger. And I have personally doubted that the mini ever pulls air into the cowl once under way. I think that sitting idle yes of course it does, so as far as recovery, it's worthwhile put while under motion I figure it's not going to do anything.

Please some one with some more technical knowledge tell me that i'm wrong.

Otherwise it's more of the same. "Polishing Turds" as a wise man I know once said. All of these airboxes are pretty much the same. Especially the metal ones. Like phil said these cars pull air in fast enough where it doesn't matter all that much.

One thing that is for sure is these huge foam filter open boxes are dyno queens. They will always show their results on the dyno but in real application will do not much more then make more noise.
IIRC, by smoothing out the air flow a velocity stack increases velocity and density of the air coming in through the intake. This should help push more air into the supercharger, but in the real world most of this stuff (including ANY velocity stack) probably only makes a difference of a couple hp at most.

Did you check out the link that I posted at/near the bottom of the 2nd page of this thread. I think it's really cool how different length of the velocity stacks benefit different rpm ranges b/c of the intake "pulses." So if you're on the track you'd go with a stack that's best when you're in the heart of the power curve, but on the street you could go with one that's better for low end power. That's some fine tuning!
 

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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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if thats a picture of whats in the m7 box then its not a velocity stack.id call it a reducer.i have the voltage products 53r and it has a real velocity stack inside.wont that long m7 filter get wet if it rains since it sticks out so far thru the cowl?
Yes the filter will get wet, My DDM intake doesn't stick out quite that far and it get's wet. Doesn't make a difference with our cars though b/c the sc makes so much heat. If anything, a little water might help cool things off.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rocksurfer
if thats a picture of whats in the m7 box then its not a velocity stack.id call it a reducer.i have the voltage products 53r and it has a real velocity stack inside.wont that long m7 filter get wet if it rains since it sticks out so far thru the cowl?
Where would someone get one of the "voltage products 53r" intakes?
 
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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You mean this one! Velocity stack, Uni filter and it's not made from steel.

 

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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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i dont have their # but i think you can email them at voltageproducts at aol.com for info.
 
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