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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 06:07 PM
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So how about the 15-20hp magnaflow supposedly has
 
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 10:53 PM
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dont believe everything you read. i have more belief in a person that does unbiased testing as opposed to a magazine that has ties to certain companies. just my two cents. BTW it was never 15-20 hp. it was 10-15 for the record. :smile:
 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 07:08 AM
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In my experience, it was 5.3 whp:


 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 07:29 AM
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>>dont believe everything you read. i have more belief in a person that does unbiased testing as opposed to a magazine that has ties to certain companies. just my two cents. BTW it was never 15-20 hp. it was 10-15 for the record. :smile:

You're not making any sence, it wasn't like the magnaflow only made a few HP and then the supersprint made 10-15hp...neither of the exhausts mdae a to of power which is typical of modern cars. Yeah I plan on replaicng the exhaust in ym car but its more for sound quality and the few extra HP I'll pick up. I know I won't get huge gains and that's ok...cause it'll sound fast
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 07:39 AM
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I know I won't get huge gains and that's ok...cause it'll sound fast
 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 08:56 AM
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i was just saying in general that magazines have ties sometimes to other companies and they can be persuaded a little.

also what does 5.3 wheel hp translate too?

talk about not making sense nice spelling

You're not making any sence, it wasn't like the magnaflow only made a few HP and then the supersprint made 10-15hp...neither of the exhausts mdae a to of power which is typical of modern cars.

 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 11:34 AM
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>>i was just saying in general that magazines have ties sometimes to other companies and they can be persuaded a little.
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>>also what does 5.3 wheel hp translate too?
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>>talk about not making sense nice spelling
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You're not making any sence, it wasn't like the magnaflow only made a few HP and then the supersprint made 10-15hp...neither of the exhausts mdae a to of power which is typical of modern cars.


...spelling isn't the problem it's trying to type when your boss isn't looking


5.3whp is exactly that, 5.3hp to the front wheels as noone knows the actual corrections.

Adding 5whp does not make you're car fast...if it does you're kidding yourself
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 09:49 PM
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Note that they had some trouble with the car at high RPMs; I think the artical was pretty much a waste of time given they had this problem. I think it skewed the results enough to make them useless. I guess the article deadline was more important than producing a useful bit of data.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 11:00 PM
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thankyou sleepless good to see someone making an intelligent response to this thread.

hey watch your mouth foo!
 
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 11:19 PM
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Hi Sleepless........

What kind of exhaust are you running
 
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 05:01 AM
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>>Hi Sleepless........
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>>What kind of exhaust are you running >>>


Sorry to answer for you Sleepless, but I believe he still has the stock exhaust.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 06:30 PM
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Yep, stock. Once I know for sure that the dealer has fixed my hot-no-start problem I'll get the Quicksilver with the dual tips. The Magnaflow is cool and seems to create the most power currently, but it's just a bit too loud for me. I like the sound of the Quicksilver. The Borla (non-sport) sounds just like stock to me.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 10:18 PM
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>>Hi Sleepless........
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>>What kind of exhaust are you running

Sarcasm isn't going to make you many friends here. Please don't come on this board arrogant and ignorant of the subjects you're trying to discredit. Why don't you take your time and do some actual research and listen to some of the wiser ones here who know what they're talking about. "
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 10:23 PM
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poo who are you referring to?
 
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 10:33 PM
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nevermind duh
 
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Old Jul 23, 2003 | 10:33 PM
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It was intended for the person who started this topic. Sorry for the misunderstanding, Weaverpsu.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 01:06 PM
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>>In my experience, it was 5.3 whp:
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Andy

I see a 7 hr difference between the two runs. What was the ambient temp difference.
An outside temp change of 5-10 degrees can make a difference in the
results as well.

As far as variations in the dyno charts, 1-3 HP difference between runs
is pretty much normal.

What I do wonder about the European car article is the detonation and the resultant timing retard that you can see on the charts. THAT should never happen on
a stock car.


 
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 10:27 PM
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yeah the article is pretty much a wash because of the ecu problems they were having. i hope that next month's issue goes over this again. also why did they use the BMP intake? Did they even try the Alta or the Madness/Rogue? Questions i would like them to answer.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 10:46 PM
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Hi Minipoo.............

I started this thread not to discredit or **** anyone of...... to the contrary, I wanted to see what's up with over blown
and overstated dyno results from various manufacturers......now this should be of outmost concern for anyone who is plunking down their hard earned money. To say that a magazine would falsify, and or give a skewed report on a test of
in this case 2 different exhaust systems is not fair..... weaverpsu was not there and can not testify to bad dyno practices.
Minipoo to attack me with words like Arrogant, Ignorant is also very unfair and ignorant.....you do not know me or my back ground in automotive technology, next time you talk to Randy ask him and he will tell you what my credentials are.
And to weaverpsu I appologize if my comments were taken wrongly If you E-mail me I can send you a new product for you to test for free to make up for the missunderstanding.


peter

Ps we got almost 5 horsies on the dyno with this baby
 
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 09:06 PM
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okay M7 truce. I bought the mag and read the article. Like i said it seems they were having an ecu problem causing a drop from 6400 to 6800rpms. So with the drop they only recorded about 4-5 hp. Pretty much a wash. I know i hate how manufacturers do that! How do they get away with it? The BMP people said their intake gave them a "surprising 12.7 hp". Yeh okay sure. Maybe if the engine was 40 degrees. Randy got a measly 4 hp out of it.

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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 12:06 AM
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Just FYI last time I checked European Car still had a pre production car and the ECU and many other components are NOT the same.

Just beware of this.




 
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 12:47 AM
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I'm sorry about my post that wasn't too nice. It was stupid of me to call you ignorant and arrogant when I really don't know anything about you. I'm very sorry about that. I guess the sarcastic question posted for sleepless got to me. Sorry.... :smile:
 
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Old Jul 27, 2003 | 12:51 PM
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Old Aug 13, 2003 | 08:24 AM
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m3jstock wrote:

Andy

I see a 7 hr difference between the two runs. What was the ambient temp difference.
An outside temp change of 5-10 degrees can make a difference in the
results as well.

As far as variations in the dyno charts, 1-3 HP difference between runs
is pretty much normal.

What I do wonder about the European car article is the detonation and the resultant timing retard that you can see on the charts. THAT should never happen on
a stock car.
Temperature differences can certainly cause a measurable change in power, as I have measured in this chart:


 
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