Drivetrain DDMWorks answer to Alta's questions about the DDMWorks RIS
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DDMWorks answer to Alta's questions about the DDMWorks RIS
All points and questions quoted from the following thread with all spelling and grammatical errors - https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...=114081&page=2
Since there are only 3 intakes on the market at this point that we know of (there may be more sorry if I missed any) it was obvious that Alta posted this as an attack on the testing that we do here at DDMWorks and also an attack on our intake in general we did not feel that the post by Alta could go unanswered. The dealings that we have had with Alta in the past have been very favorable and we honestly can not believe that they would attack our product like this. So we have taken the time to reply to all of the questions and points that were brought up in the original post by Alta.
1. What was their pressure changes?? I would love to know the difference before and after. If you read its base on hypothosizing about changes in pressure and that it effects cooling.
We have that data and eventually might share it, however at this time other companies/competitors are still developing their intakes for the R56. We have already posted some of the pressures and intake temps of the 9 different intakes that we tested. We feel this already gives a huge advantage to our competition in that they will not have to go through the weeks of testing it took us to obtain this data.
2. Behind the scoop is the engine, and very very very large holes behind the engine, and to the side. How can a small 1.5"x8" hole at any air flow create pressure (that would affect anything) with these large holes around the engine. They mention "orifices", well it takes 2 of these to make pressure. The one in and the one out. The out orifice is at least 20 times bigger than the scoop (in, orifice)
The orifice that we are referring to in our post is the opening in the hood scoop, since that is the variable that we are changing. Obviously since we are not changing the "large holes around the engine" but have increased the air coming into the engine bay, pressure will change.
3. Aren't they arguing about not buy their own intake with a scoop, to help keep things from melting under the hood???
We are not really sure what he is asking here and may understand it better if the question is rephrased.
4. Using basic logic, BMW opened up the scoop to get some more air flow through the engine bay. So what!! Its not like they put a snow shovel on the hood to collect the air. Never seen that before (WRX's) on cars that had Top Mounted Intercoolers with them removed for Front Mounted Intercoolers. There are plenty of these cars out there at the track with ZERO cooling(intercooler or radiator) issues or over increased pressure issues. This example is much more extreme than the Mini.
We originally posted that MINI made the change for a reason; I do not think anyone can argue that MINI had a reason when they made the change. At this point the only ones that know the reason for sure are the engineers at MINI. Everyone else is just speculating, Atla and ourselves included. We pride ourselves in giving people as much information as possible before they make a decision to modify their car. We thought it was something that we should point out and something that we saw during our testing of the different intakes and thought should be noted. We never stated that the reason for the change in the number of openings in the scoop had anything to do with pressure differences. It is something that we have measured, and thought it was something we should let the community know about. Most likely nothing bad is going to happen because anyone opened up their hood scoop, but we like to give people as much information as possible.
5. I would hypothesize that opening the scoop might help create a slight ventulli effect to help get air around the engine to help it cool better. One guy mentions "It was entirely because the under hood temperatures were sky rocketing and may prematurely wear out some components and/or damage the bonnet finish." Since the scoop is behind the turbo not in front (the only part that could hurt the paint), it would create this ventulli effect to help get more around the engine to help keep things cooler.
This is a point that I do agree with you on. If your hypothesis is correct and the open grill is creating a venturi effect, that would make hot air that came through the radiator flow up, then get heated by the turbo, and then join the rush of air coming in from the scoop and head directly back at an open exposed filter in the back of the engine bay. This is what we have seen on our testing of intake temperature at the air filter. During long pulls on the road with an intake similar to the Alta, and also with our street intake we did measure intake temps that continued to climb while going full throttle, something that we feel is caused by your hypothesis.
6. With out measuring, i would again hypothosize that the openging of the front of the car (plus the hood scoop) is still smaller than the opening behind and around the engine where the air exits out the bottom of the car. With this said, if there isn't this huge restriction creating pressure build up under the hood, then there is no way that the little scoop is stealing from the air flowing through the rad and intercooler. At least enough pressure to effect cooling.
Since there is not data that either one of us has on the size of the openings, flow rates and movement of air around the engine bay we both can come to different hypothesis on this. The one fact that does remain is that we did see an increase in under hood pressure when we opened the hood scoop completely, when compared to the hood scoop being closed.
7. We are not going to argue about whos intake is better, even though it seems no one has been able to make more HP or even show more HP gained. While we could critique their part and say why ours is better/different, it just takes simple, but scientifically done correct, runs on the dyno. Which we did before we even started selling the parts. So we proved our part a long time ago!
Which intake is better is not a question that can be answered unless we know what criteria that one has set for determining what better is. If your criteria is price, the homemade intakes that cost less than $40 do a pretty decent job (yes we tested them also) If you want something that is manufactured and installs nicely and price is still a concern, our street intake for $189 is hard to beat. If horsepower and torque are all you care about when determining an intake, let’s look at the dyno's. You say that your intake has made the most power on the dyno, but your numbers are estimated crank increases in horsepower, not what was measured at the wheels. Considering we saw more horsepower and torque gained at the wheels then you are showing estimated at the crank using a correction factor, your statement is not true any longer. We did the testing on the dyno also, but we also back up our data on the street, since most of our customers drive on the road, not the dyno. If you will let me know what correction factor you are using to go from wheel horsepower to estimated crank numbers I will gladly take the time to correct our dyno runs to the higher estimated numbers like you do for a direct comparison. Unless you have removed the engine from the car and are using an engine dyno, you can not measure actual crank horsepower.
8. Those concerned with water shouldn't worry at all. Our mule has lots of rainy Oregon weather, and not to mention all the weather it saw on the way to the Dragon. Or just think of it like free water injection!
This we do have to agree with you on also, we have tested our street and RIS in rain and see no problem with water with either intake with the hood scoop open.
We originally were going to make an intake that untilized the scoop. But when we were testing, before we even got to making a shroud to capture this air, we found the scoop being removed worked perfectly to provide ambient temp. So there is ZERO need to add additional cost and complexity to make a shroud. While it looks cool, we felt it wasn't worth the added cost. Nor was it worth the added cost to make a box that COULD use a future scoop, as this would also limit some of the benifit of the open filter restrictiveness, or lack there of.
Since we now know that Alta does not do any pressure testing of the intakes they design you would not see the pressure at the intake you can see with a scoop attaching to the hood scoop and sealing with the box in the back. This increase in pressure, although relatively small is enough to cancel out the pressure drop across the filter and some of the intake tract leading to the turbo, an advantage in real world driving. Also was all of your measuring of intake temps outside the filter like I saw in some of your earlier pics of the intake? If I remember correctly you had the temperature probes located towards the back of the filter, outside the filter. We saw a big difference in intake air temp around the filter from front to back, we believe because of your earlier hypothesis about air coming up from the radiator, over the turbo and back towards the filter. Temps on the back side of the filter were pretty low; temps on the front were pretty high. This is something that M7 has seen also. We have posted what pressures and temperatures we saw at varying speeds from 25-100mph on the street in some of the graphs in our RIS thread. The varying of temperature around the filter is why we believe that intake temp testing should be done with probes inside the filter where the air is going into the intake tract to rule out any variances in temperature of incoming air outside the filter.
Even with the scoop blocked (and the 20-40 degrees above ambient filter temp we saw with filter blocked) the HP differnce was on a few HP. That is with 40 degrees hotter air!! So obviously the hotter air doesn't effect it much. This is because the ECU uses the air temp sensors in the boost tubes (after IC) to change fuel and timing.
Once again I do question what type of thermocouples you were using (K, T?) and the placement of those thermocouples as this would be consistent with placement at the back of the filter, but not the front. Measuring inside the filter at the beginning of the intake tract, you should have seen what we measured. Also on the dyno graph posted on your website about the intake, it shows that you lost a peak 12.4HP and 7.1lb/ft of torque with the scoop closed, which was it a couple HP or what was posted on your website?
We do not feel that it is very professional of any vendor here on NAM to go around and post the kind of reply Alta posted in their thread, about other vendors products without having any hard facts to back up their remarks, or at least asking that vendor to answer some of their questions. Remarks like "I hypothosize(sp)" coming from a vendor who is supposed to be a credible source for information only continues to confuse the general internet public, especially if there are no hard facts to back that hypothesis up.
The fact is that we have tested 9 different intakes on the R56 to come up with what we believe to be the best performing intake out there. One of those intakes we built as a prototype was very similar to the ALTA intake and we tested it, at speed, and on the dyno so we are pretty sure we know how it performs. We have used pressure measuring devices, thermocouples and OBD data available from the car to test and measure everything that we could during testing. We know how that intake performs in the real world, in fact we offer a very similar intake that we call our street intake at a much better price point.
In conclusion, having all of this testing data we then were able to develop the RIS which beats every intake we tried including our own street intake and the intake that we tested similar to the Alta in every performance criteria we could come up with. Alta's intake which is similar to our street intake performs well especially for the $189 that we sell our street intake for is a great bang for the buck. However the RIS outperforms it in everyway and that is why it does cost more. We know we are not as big as company as Alta at this point, but we do pride ourselves in all of the testing that we do of our products, and for another vendor to question our findings without actually having anything to back it up is not something that we will sit on the sidelines and allow to happen.
We know that Alta is a more professional company than the post we quoted from makes them out to be, and hopefully someone was just having a bad day over there and responded without thinking as evidenced by all of the spelling and grammatical errors. We do give them the benefit of the doubt because of our previous conversations with Alta employees and look forward to pleasant relations with them in the future.
Two long posts in as many days, I really think everyone is asleep now, may be a good time for some popcorn
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Since there are only 3 intakes on the market at this point that we know of (there may be more sorry if I missed any) it was obvious that Alta posted this as an attack on the testing that we do here at DDMWorks and also an attack on our intake in general we did not feel that the post by Alta could go unanswered. The dealings that we have had with Alta in the past have been very favorable and we honestly can not believe that they would attack our product like this. So we have taken the time to reply to all of the questions and points that were brought up in the original post by Alta.
1. What was their pressure changes?? I would love to know the difference before and after. If you read its base on hypothosizing about changes in pressure and that it effects cooling.
We have that data and eventually might share it, however at this time other companies/competitors are still developing their intakes for the R56. We have already posted some of the pressures and intake temps of the 9 different intakes that we tested. We feel this already gives a huge advantage to our competition in that they will not have to go through the weeks of testing it took us to obtain this data.
2. Behind the scoop is the engine, and very very very large holes behind the engine, and to the side. How can a small 1.5"x8" hole at any air flow create pressure (that would affect anything) with these large holes around the engine. They mention "orifices", well it takes 2 of these to make pressure. The one in and the one out. The out orifice is at least 20 times bigger than the scoop (in, orifice)
The orifice that we are referring to in our post is the opening in the hood scoop, since that is the variable that we are changing. Obviously since we are not changing the "large holes around the engine" but have increased the air coming into the engine bay, pressure will change.
3. Aren't they arguing about not buy their own intake with a scoop, to help keep things from melting under the hood???
We are not really sure what he is asking here and may understand it better if the question is rephrased.
4. Using basic logic, BMW opened up the scoop to get some more air flow through the engine bay. So what!! Its not like they put a snow shovel on the hood to collect the air. Never seen that before (WRX's) on cars that had Top Mounted Intercoolers with them removed for Front Mounted Intercoolers. There are plenty of these cars out there at the track with ZERO cooling(intercooler or radiator) issues or over increased pressure issues. This example is much more extreme than the Mini.
We originally posted that MINI made the change for a reason; I do not think anyone can argue that MINI had a reason when they made the change. At this point the only ones that know the reason for sure are the engineers at MINI. Everyone else is just speculating, Atla and ourselves included. We pride ourselves in giving people as much information as possible before they make a decision to modify their car. We thought it was something that we should point out and something that we saw during our testing of the different intakes and thought should be noted. We never stated that the reason for the change in the number of openings in the scoop had anything to do with pressure differences. It is something that we have measured, and thought it was something we should let the community know about. Most likely nothing bad is going to happen because anyone opened up their hood scoop, but we like to give people as much information as possible.
5. I would hypothesize that opening the scoop might help create a slight ventulli effect to help get air around the engine to help it cool better. One guy mentions "It was entirely because the under hood temperatures were sky rocketing and may prematurely wear out some components and/or damage the bonnet finish." Since the scoop is behind the turbo not in front (the only part that could hurt the paint), it would create this ventulli effect to help get more around the engine to help keep things cooler.
This is a point that I do agree with you on. If your hypothesis is correct and the open grill is creating a venturi effect, that would make hot air that came through the radiator flow up, then get heated by the turbo, and then join the rush of air coming in from the scoop and head directly back at an open exposed filter in the back of the engine bay. This is what we have seen on our testing of intake temperature at the air filter. During long pulls on the road with an intake similar to the Alta, and also with our street intake we did measure intake temps that continued to climb while going full throttle, something that we feel is caused by your hypothesis.
6. With out measuring, i would again hypothosize that the openging of the front of the car (plus the hood scoop) is still smaller than the opening behind and around the engine where the air exits out the bottom of the car. With this said, if there isn't this huge restriction creating pressure build up under the hood, then there is no way that the little scoop is stealing from the air flowing through the rad and intercooler. At least enough pressure to effect cooling.
Since there is not data that either one of us has on the size of the openings, flow rates and movement of air around the engine bay we both can come to different hypothesis on this. The one fact that does remain is that we did see an increase in under hood pressure when we opened the hood scoop completely, when compared to the hood scoop being closed.
7. We are not going to argue about whos intake is better, even though it seems no one has been able to make more HP or even show more HP gained. While we could critique their part and say why ours is better/different, it just takes simple, but scientifically done correct, runs on the dyno. Which we did before we even started selling the parts. So we proved our part a long time ago!
Which intake is better is not a question that can be answered unless we know what criteria that one has set for determining what better is. If your criteria is price, the homemade intakes that cost less than $40 do a pretty decent job (yes we tested them also) If you want something that is manufactured and installs nicely and price is still a concern, our street intake for $189 is hard to beat. If horsepower and torque are all you care about when determining an intake, let’s look at the dyno's. You say that your intake has made the most power on the dyno, but your numbers are estimated crank increases in horsepower, not what was measured at the wheels. Considering we saw more horsepower and torque gained at the wheels then you are showing estimated at the crank using a correction factor, your statement is not true any longer. We did the testing on the dyno also, but we also back up our data on the street, since most of our customers drive on the road, not the dyno. If you will let me know what correction factor you are using to go from wheel horsepower to estimated crank numbers I will gladly take the time to correct our dyno runs to the higher estimated numbers like you do for a direct comparison. Unless you have removed the engine from the car and are using an engine dyno, you can not measure actual crank horsepower.
8. Those concerned with water shouldn't worry at all. Our mule has lots of rainy Oregon weather, and not to mention all the weather it saw on the way to the Dragon. Or just think of it like free water injection!
This we do have to agree with you on also, we have tested our street and RIS in rain and see no problem with water with either intake with the hood scoop open.
We originally were going to make an intake that untilized the scoop. But when we were testing, before we even got to making a shroud to capture this air, we found the scoop being removed worked perfectly to provide ambient temp. So there is ZERO need to add additional cost and complexity to make a shroud. While it looks cool, we felt it wasn't worth the added cost. Nor was it worth the added cost to make a box that COULD use a future scoop, as this would also limit some of the benifit of the open filter restrictiveness, or lack there of.
Since we now know that Alta does not do any pressure testing of the intakes they design you would not see the pressure at the intake you can see with a scoop attaching to the hood scoop and sealing with the box in the back. This increase in pressure, although relatively small is enough to cancel out the pressure drop across the filter and some of the intake tract leading to the turbo, an advantage in real world driving. Also was all of your measuring of intake temps outside the filter like I saw in some of your earlier pics of the intake? If I remember correctly you had the temperature probes located towards the back of the filter, outside the filter. We saw a big difference in intake air temp around the filter from front to back, we believe because of your earlier hypothesis about air coming up from the radiator, over the turbo and back towards the filter. Temps on the back side of the filter were pretty low; temps on the front were pretty high. This is something that M7 has seen also. We have posted what pressures and temperatures we saw at varying speeds from 25-100mph on the street in some of the graphs in our RIS thread. The varying of temperature around the filter is why we believe that intake temp testing should be done with probes inside the filter where the air is going into the intake tract to rule out any variances in temperature of incoming air outside the filter.
Even with the scoop blocked (and the 20-40 degrees above ambient filter temp we saw with filter blocked) the HP differnce was on a few HP. That is with 40 degrees hotter air!! So obviously the hotter air doesn't effect it much. This is because the ECU uses the air temp sensors in the boost tubes (after IC) to change fuel and timing.
Once again I do question what type of thermocouples you were using (K, T?) and the placement of those thermocouples as this would be consistent with placement at the back of the filter, but not the front. Measuring inside the filter at the beginning of the intake tract, you should have seen what we measured. Also on the dyno graph posted on your website about the intake, it shows that you lost a peak 12.4HP and 7.1lb/ft of torque with the scoop closed, which was it a couple HP or what was posted on your website?
We do not feel that it is very professional of any vendor here on NAM to go around and post the kind of reply Alta posted in their thread, about other vendors products without having any hard facts to back up their remarks, or at least asking that vendor to answer some of their questions. Remarks like "I hypothosize(sp)" coming from a vendor who is supposed to be a credible source for information only continues to confuse the general internet public, especially if there are no hard facts to back that hypothesis up.
The fact is that we have tested 9 different intakes on the R56 to come up with what we believe to be the best performing intake out there. One of those intakes we built as a prototype was very similar to the ALTA intake and we tested it, at speed, and on the dyno so we are pretty sure we know how it performs. We have used pressure measuring devices, thermocouples and OBD data available from the car to test and measure everything that we could during testing. We know how that intake performs in the real world, in fact we offer a very similar intake that we call our street intake at a much better price point.
In conclusion, having all of this testing data we then were able to develop the RIS which beats every intake we tried including our own street intake and the intake that we tested similar to the Alta in every performance criteria we could come up with. Alta's intake which is similar to our street intake performs well especially for the $189 that we sell our street intake for is a great bang for the buck. However the RIS outperforms it in everyway and that is why it does cost more. We know we are not as big as company as Alta at this point, but we do pride ourselves in all of the testing that we do of our products, and for another vendor to question our findings without actually having anything to back it up is not something that we will sit on the sidelines and allow to happen.
We know that Alta is a more professional company than the post we quoted from makes them out to be, and hopefully someone was just having a bad day over there and responded without thinking as evidenced by all of the spelling and grammatical errors. We do give them the benefit of the doubt because of our previous conversations with Alta employees and look forward to pleasant relations with them in the future.
Two long posts in as many days, I really think everyone is asleep now, may be a good time for some popcorn
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Oops!
I didn't mean to start a vendor brawl. 
Honest!
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I didn't mean to start a vendor brawl. Honest!
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Scott48 - If you reread the thread and the reply from Alta, it is clear their reply is in reference to post by RattMobbins asking about the pressure differential decrease that is caused by removing the hood scoop completely vs. a closed off hood scoop, infact Rattmobbins posted links to our thread just above where Alta responded.
RattMobbins - We have had positive dealings with Alta in the past, and met a few of their employees at AMVIV earlier this year and have talked with Adam on the phone before. This reply from them was way out of character with the previous dealings that we have had with them, and we felt it needed to be addressed as it questioned our testing procedures and our intakes. We continue to have a positive view of Alta, as they are one of the larger companies out there, and have been around for a long time and until this attack on us have always seemed very professional. Like they say "Why can't we all just get along?"
RattMobbins - We have had positive dealings with Alta in the past, and met a few of their employees at AMVIV earlier this year and have talked with Adam on the phone before. This reply from them was way out of character with the previous dealings that we have had with them, and we felt it needed to be addressed as it questioned our testing procedures and our intakes. We continue to have a positive view of Alta, as they are one of the larger companies out there, and have been around for a long time and until this attack on us have always seemed very professional. Like they say "Why can't we all just get along?"
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RattMobbins - We have had positive dealings with Alta in the past, and met a few of their employees at AMVIV earlier this year and have talked with Adam on the phone before. This reply from them was way out of character with the previous dealings that we have had with them, and we felt it needed to be addressed as it questioned our testing procedures and our intakes. We continue to have a positive view of Alta, as they are one of the larger companies out there, and have been around for a long time and until this attack on us have always seemed very professional. Like they say "Why can't we all just get along?"
Cool. As long as nobody ends up sleepin with the fishes.
Truthfully, if I was going for power, I would be all over your intake. The thing looks simply amazing, and it's OBVIOUS you have done your homework with it. However, the car has more power than I know what to do with stock, so I am going the total poser route and just adding an intake and exhaust to get a sportier sound out of my beast!
Had JSC Speed not offered me a killer price on the Alta intake and exhaust combo, I might not have gone with the Alta intake.
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Hey Dave: I REALLY think you have SERIOUSLY mis-read the post made by Jeff in the previous thread. It is a GENERAL discussion of different intake choices for the R56 and CERTAINLY not just pointed at yours. We are all able to make comments about competitive choices for all kinds of products.
Also, we are VERY professional and you have met members of my staff at some events and obviously they treated you in a professional manner. But don't think that our online dealings are any different. Please trust me that if we were going to throw stones at other members of the NAM Vendor community you wouldn't even be on the radar! I have never felt any adversarial feelings toward your firm and we do share an equal distain for a certain party.
If you feel either myself or my staff has made an unprofessional poke, call me, if you feel the need to further report competitive advantages of your products over mine (or anyone elses) YOU should keep it professional and leave opposing brand names out of the discussion. I think MANY clients will read your post above as an attack on ALTA vs. a competitive rebuttal. Don't forget the old addage, pointing one finger at another leaves three pointing back at thyself!
With that being said LETS GET BACK TO MOTORING!!!!!!!
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Also, we are VERY professional and you have met members of my staff at some events and obviously they treated you in a professional manner. But don't think that our online dealings are any different. Please trust me that if we were going to throw stones at other members of the NAM Vendor community you wouldn't even be on the radar! I have never felt any adversarial feelings toward your firm and we do share an equal distain for a certain party.
If you feel either myself or my staff has made an unprofessional poke, call me, if you feel the need to further report competitive advantages of your products over mine (or anyone elses) YOU should keep it professional and leave opposing brand names out of the discussion. I think MANY clients will read your post above as an attack on ALTA vs. a competitive rebuttal. Don't forget the old addage, pointing one finger at another leaves three pointing back at thyself!
With that being said LETS GET BACK TO MOTORING!!!!!!!
Adam@altaminiperformance.com
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Dave and Adam,
I don't know about the rest of NAM but I do appreciate what you guys have done for the community. Keep up the good work.
Now..go back to work on the ECU so we can enjoy our MCS even more...
Like Adam said... LETS GET BACK TO MOTORING...
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I don't know about the rest of NAM but I do appreciate what you guys have done for the community. Keep up the good work.
Now..go back to work on the ECU so we can enjoy our MCS even more...
Like Adam said... LETS GET BACK TO MOTORING...
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we all have these planks in our own eyes to take care of before the specks in everyone else's.... just fyi
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Like I said before, we have always had positive dealings with Alta in the past and Adam's reply is the usual professional kind of reply we are used to seeing from them.
Time for all of us to move on and go Motor!
Time for all of us to move on and go Motor!
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Well i installed the ddmworks intake i am wright now having alot of problems running rich and engine light is on bummer of course i also have the alta turbo hoses. this is going to b hard to fix i have ddmworks and mini looking into the problem any feed back?
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Well whenever you make any changes to the car, we can only assume they are directly related to them. If you put the boost tubes and intake on at the same time lets assume something is amiss there. Can you answer that for sure first? Give us some details and we can go further with a solution! I am willing to help in anyway I can!
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DO THIS FIRST!!!! Check the connections on the inlet tubes (everywhere) From what you describe you have a small vacuum / boost leak. That throws the ECU into fits. IF THE PROBLEM ONLY CAME AFTER THE JCW FLASH: Then go back to the dealer. Hope that helps!
One thing I'd like to know/see as a potential customer, how's the DDM intake look with the hood down/scoop removed. There's no pictures of it on the DDM site and I haven't stumbled across any here yet.
There's plenty of options out there to help reduce underhood temps that I haven't seen discussed/used/marketted much yet, turbo blankets, ceramic coatings, heat/header wrap, maybe some functional side/hood vents...
There's plenty of options out there to help reduce underhood temps that I haven't seen discussed/used/marketted much yet, turbo blankets, ceramic coatings, heat/header wrap, maybe some functional side/hood vents...
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