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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 07:28 AM
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twin charge

anybody know what other twin charge kits are out there besides Alta's twurbo?
I read an article on one amazing system that was put on a blue/white MCS and i wanted to know what system that was.
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 07:41 AM
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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were they ever in a magazine? with a blue MCS?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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Ask Tuls, I believe he is TC'd?

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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I have the TurboKompressor from Helix. My Mini is a beast. I'd definately recommend it. Heck, if you're in Queens you're just a hop, skip and a jump away from Helix in Philly. Go get you one.
 
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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Isn't there one called SPI Power Excel?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CHILIbean
Isn't there one called SPI Power Excel?
i think i remember seeing a electric blue MCS (with CF hood and Volk LE37 rims i might add) with that TC kit on car domain
 
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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There is the Alta Twurbo Kit, Helix Turbokompressor, and SPI that I know of. Turbo-only kit's are all custom-made to my knownledge.

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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I have the TurboKompressor from Helix. My Mini is a beast. I'd definately recommend it. Heck, if you're in Queens you're just a hop, skip and a jump away from Helix in Philly. Go get you one.
what r ur numbers? did u have to buy any extras?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mini_macky
i think i remember seeing a electric blue MCS (with CF hood and Volk LE37 rims i might add) with that TC kit on car domain
Yup. That's the one i saw.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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what r ur numbers? did u have to buy any extras?

I've never had it dyno'd. The numbers on the Helix mule are 250 at the wheels. That's on a Mustang dyno, which is one of the conservative ones. It comes from the shop ready to go, but I'd recommend an exhaust if you don't have one.
 
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Is it everyday driveable?? Any problems at all?? Any overheating?? Idle problems?? How many miles do you have on it?? Sounds great if it's problem free. Thanks.
 
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If you want crazy twin charge power talk to Tuls. He is over 400hp, I believe at the wheels! If you go much more than 250whp you will want forged pistons. Oh and maybe a Limited Slip Differential, and a new clutch/flywheel(optional).
 
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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Is it everyday driveable?? Any problems at all?? Any overheating?? Idle problems?? How many miles do you have on it?? Sounds great if it's problem free. Thanks.

Sean,
You going to the track on Sunday?

Also, I can tell you all about twincharging....

give me a call Monday if you can....

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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RacerXSPF
Is it everyday driveable?? Any problems at all?? Any overheating?? Idle problems?? How many miles do you have on it?? Sounds great if it's problem free. Thanks.

I have an '02 with 28k miles, so I didn't have a bunch on even before I got the TK kit about 18 months ago. I have about 8k or so on the kit. It's definately every-day drivable. Like I've mentioned before there is a yo-yo at about -3 lbs vacuum, but that;s easy to work around. The BOV is a noisy one, but I kinda like that.

Other things on the car effect comfort much more than the TK: lightweight flywhhel+race clutch, heavy springs, noisy camber pates, autocross alignment.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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whats the install cost from helix? will they install a different turbo like Alta's twurbo?
 
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u guys are all talking about this MCS
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/843287/3

but its still not the one i saw in a magazine, i think it was a euro MINI magazine,
 
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Yep, I plan on being there!!!! -SPF
 
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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well if helix's kit costs similar but makes 150 horse less then why ami gonna get that one?
 
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Originally Posted by HighSchoolzMINI
well if helix's kit costs similar but makes 150 horse less then why ami gonna get that one?

Make sure you talk to someone who has been there done that before spending any money on a twincharge. Pistons are needed especially if you go over 250whp. Even then if you have a bad tune or turn up the boost you are going to be rebuilding an engine. Reliability will be a concern if you don't follow the vendors guidelines exclusively. If you are going this route, call Helix as it has had the best tuning setup on it off the 3 systems. Just because a vendor says the kit makes 400hp doesn't mean that system has, it means the turbo is capable of doing it. Won't they won't tell you is the amount of money you will need to spend to get there.
 
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Insane amounts of horsepower can only lead to trouble...
 
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Jan know's what he's talking about, he was one of the original pioneers of the Twincharge kit with Fireballed! Racing.

The thing to realize is that to make 250 HP with twincharge you're going to be spending close to 6k, and you'll be pushing 25 lbs of boost. You need to make 5-6 lbs of boost just to spin the SC. The more reliable approach would be to buy a head (You really need to get a head with the Twincharge anyway, so add 2k to the cost of your twincharge kit), and get a proper tune, exhaust, intake, pulley, etc. There are a few people that are pushing 250 to the wheels on the stock SC.

If you have 6-8k to spend and want to put 250-300 hp to the ground, give Jan a call, he'll lead you in the right direction. Wikipedia has his picture under the "Been There Done That" section for the MINI .

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well if helix's kit costs similar but makes 150 horse less then why ami gonna get that one?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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Nonsense!

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Insane amounts of horsepower can only lead to trouble...
 
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 04:03 AM
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The thing to realize is that to make 250 HP with twincharge you're going to be spending close to 6k, and you'll be pushing 25 lbs of boost. You need to make 5-6 lbs of boost just to spin the SC. The more reliable approach would be to buy a head (You really need to get a head with the Twincharge anyway, so add 2k to the cost of your twincharge kit), and get a proper tune, exhaust, intake, pulley, etc. There are a few people that are pushing 250 to the wheels on the stock SC.

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Here's my understanding: One on the main ways that twincharging make power is that the charge temps are 30 gegrees cooler than with straight supercharging. If I remember correctly, the Helix setup alarms at 23 psi and dumps boost at 25. I've never seen either number even on the front straight at BeaveRun at WOT. I make scary power at 19 lbs of boost.

As far as reliable is concerned, has there been a TK failure on NAM? I haven't seen one. Anyway, to each their own.
 
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