Tires, Wheels, & Brakes Discussion about wheels, tires, and brakes for the new MINI.

Tire Tread Depth

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 10-09-2006, 01:16 PM
Morris9982's Avatar
Morris9982
Morris9982 is offline
4th Gear
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Gurnee, IL
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Tire Tread Depth

I just read an interesting article in Rubber & Plastics News (a trade journal for the rubber industry), on tire tread depth.

Basically, it said the old penny in the tread trick was inappropriate and that street tire performance deteriorated significantly when tread depth was less than 4/32" (about 3.2 mm). Keep in mind we are talking street driving and not racing.

Main points:
1. There is no national standard for minimum tread depth for passenger cars (there are laws for OTR trucks).
2. Cars running on tires with 3 mm tread stopped 25% faster from 50 MPH compared to the same cars running on tires with 1.6 mm tread.
3. At 74 MPH, 2/32" vs. 4/32" took an extra 130 feet to stop.

The article said that 2/32" was probably adequate years ago when tires were taller and narrower. Now that most tires are wider and lower profile, the rule needs to be changed.

I've always thought that 2/32" (the approximate depth shown by the penny trick) was inadequate. Now, there is some scientific data to prove it.

The article went on to say that the NHSTA (National Traffic Safety Administration) denied a petition to increase the acceptable minimum tread depth because they thought it was anti-consumer. They said it reduced the value of a tire because it shortened tire life and would generate more scrap tires.

I think I'll be replacing my tires before they get down to 2/32".
 
  #2  
Old 10-09-2006, 01:35 PM
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton
Crashton is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Over there on MA
Posts: 9,480
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
I've never been one to run tires that low. In the rain their performance or the lack of it is very eye opening. One other aspect of old tires is the compound changes & gets harder causing the tire to have less stick.
 
  #3  
Old 10-09-2006, 02:28 PM
xtremepsionic's Avatar
xtremepsionic
xtremepsionic is offline
4th Gear
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 557
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I second what Crashton said, the wet/snow performance of a tire could become terrible even before you get down to 2/32th left. The 175/65/15 stock conti tires I had were hydroplaning at medium rain level at just 60mph, and that was with about 4/32th left, not good at all.
 
  #4  
Old 10-10-2006, 01:52 PM
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton
Crashton is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Over there on MA
Posts: 9,480
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
the wet/snow performance of a tire could become terrible even before you get down to 2/32th left.
I refer to that kind of snow tire as a hockey puck. We all know what they do on ice.
 
  #5  
Old 10-10-2006, 03:11 PM
El_Jefe's Avatar
El_Jefe
El_Jefe is offline
Alliance Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Merrick, NY
Posts: 1,285
Received 18 Likes on 16 Posts
if low tread is bad, how about racing slicks stopping power?

That was always confusing to me.

That is some amazing info how low tread can give 130 more feet to stop!!

ew
 
  #6  
Old 10-10-2006, 03:24 PM
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton
Crashton is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Over there on MA
Posts: 9,480
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
if low tread is bad, how about racing slicks stopping power?
For a racing tire or slick, it's all about the compounding. Some are almost as soft as a pencil eraser.
 
  #7  
Old 10-10-2006, 05:04 PM
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
chows4us is offline
6th Gear
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by El_Jefe
if low tread is bad, how about racing slicks stopping power?

That was always confusing to me.
Your confusing thread with tire stickyness. Compound.

I guess that means those A008s aren't a good deal
 
  #8  
Old 10-10-2006, 05:39 PM
kenchan's Avatar
kenchan
kenchan is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 31,439
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
i like my tires (on my weekend cars) the best when about 1/2 worn.
 
  #9  
Old 10-10-2006, 05:50 PM
Crashton's Avatar
Crashton
Crashton is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Over there on MA
Posts: 9,480
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by kenchan
i like my tires (on my weekend cars) the best when about 1/2 worn.
Shaved to racing depth.

First set of tires I bought for my race car had 6/32 of tread. The fellow at Blackburn racing said he'd shave them for free down to 2/32. I thought about it & said no thanks. My reasoning being that they'd last longer. Starving racer you know. Well those were the slowest darned tires, darn that tread squirm & they chunked so they lasted not half as long as a set of shavers. Lesson learned, too much tread is slow on the track. More tread is good in the real world.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Gen1Parts
MINIs & Minis for Sale
2
09-07-2015 03:50 PM
F55MidnightBlackCooperS
F55/F56 :: Hatch Talk (2014+)
18
09-03-2015 04:02 PM
Ntety
MINIs & Minis for Sale
0
09-02-2015 08:39 PM



Quick Reply: Tire Tread Depth



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:10 PM.