I'm intruiged at the functional differences between the AVS ES100 and the Parada Spec-2. I've seen a few people on this page use the ES100, but haven't seen anyone use the Parada. They're both available in stock 205/45-17 sizes. Check out the links at Tire Rack:

AVS ES100

Parada Spec-2

They have similar traction and treadwear ratings, similar prices, and both have cool tread patterns! These tires are the closest thing in market placement I've seen in a while! What gives?

Cheers,
Ryan

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I sifted most of the Reviews on Tire Racks page for these two tires, seems like the ratio of good to bad reviews leaned towards the Parada.

I'd like to hear people experiences....anyone?

 

ES-100s are for canyon carving.
:smile:
Pradas are for boulevard cruising :???:

 

I've got interesting Yoko pics I am going to post....

 

>>ES-100s are for canyon carving.
>> :smile:
>>Pradas are for boulevard cruising :???:


Care to elaborate? Are you talking about Prada or Parada? Fashion or tire?

 

ES100s are a performance tire. A friend has them on his Miata and they are the best tire (non R-compound) I have driven on for grip. There are other good tires T1s, Falken Azeni, and Bridgestone S-03s, all of which I have driven on save for the Falkens, but the Azeni are the consensus (GRM Tire Test, SCCA STS National Results) king of grip. Parada- (tires not the fashion guru), have a reputation for looks first and performance second. I have not driven on them, but I never hear their name in performance discussions anywhere. The ES100 is on my short list and may just win out on weight vs. grip between the S03s, Azeni and T1Ss. If in doubt call Dan at the TireRack, he has the answer for ES100 vs Parada. What are you looking for in a tire? Grip? Tread life? Looks? Weight?

 

Well here I am, interested in the YOKO Parada Spec 2 215/40ZR-18 85W B

Is this a good one? Will it fit in the cooper wells?

"I'm the Boss, Need the infooooo"

 

too big there Mighty:

You'll want 215/35-18, that's an OEM diameter.

PM Dan to confirm

 

Ryephile is 100% correct. 215/35 is great. 215/40 is 8/10th taller in diameter.

Dan

 

DARN!

 

>>"ES100s are a performance tire."

I am waiting to hear from Yoko about that???

 

What, cause they were chewed up from track days and you feel they should have lasted longer? Please explain 2minis.

R

 

>>What, cause they were chewed up from track days and you feel they should have lasted longer? Please explain 2minis.
>>
>>R

Essentially. With the speed rating they have I was a bit suprised at the condition
after some 'testing.' Actually 'chewed up and spit out' is a little closer to their
current state. BTW I never exceeded 120mph. I was not racing with them...just
drivin' around a track. I'd hate to see them if they were on a car capable of the
'speed rating.'

 

Speed rating is not going to help a full depth (9/32nd) tire dissipate the heat generated from track 'testing'. There are tires designed for track use and autocross use. A properly heat cycled competition tire with its 6 to 4/32nd tread depth will last much, much longer than a street tire on the track. (On the street 6000 miles for an R compund is good).
Heat is a tires enemy- just ask an Explorer owner- and underinflation causes an excess of heat build-up. Next time you track test, use track tires or inflate your tires beyond what you run on the street (up to the recommend max for the tire) and pay attetion to the tire temps. I have seen tires abused at slow speeds (huge slip angles and no ability to threshold brake) to the point of cording them right off the rack. I am assuming by your 'chewed up and spit out comment' you chunked a tread.
Are you in contact with Yokohama about replacements? If you are, good luck and let us know how it goes.
Chris

 

Actually, Yokohama is a sponsor in an upcoming race...that includes
'track time' but must be run with street tires. They were properly inflated.
I do have other choices and I'll let you know how I make out with Yoko.
I'll probably stick with them but was concerned about the appearance of
the tire overall. The 100s are a tire that need to be hot before they can
be pushed anyway....

 

Define street tires. There are tires that are DOT legal but have treadwear rating in the 50s . The SCCA defines street tires as any tire having a treadwear rating of 140 or better. Yoko makes a tire called the AO32R that is DOT legal, but in truth a track tire. Almost all tires need heat to grip properly.

 

No racing slicks or DOT Legal competition tires will be permitted. Standard street legal tires with a minimum UTQG Treadwear Rating of 140 will be required.
Tire shaving is not permitted and all tires must complete the event with a minimum of 2/32-inch of remaining tread depth.
I'll look at the AO32R. Thanks.

 

>>I'll look at the AO32R. Thanks.
<<

FWD-MX5 said that it was essentially a track tire; it has a treadwear rating of 60, not good enough to be considered "street tire" according to your race rules.

 

>>>>What, cause they were chewed up from track days and you feel they should have lasted longer? Please explain 2minis.
>>>>
>>>>R
>>
>>Essentially. With the speed rating they have I was a bit suprised at the condition
>>after some 'testing.' Actually 'chewed up and spit out' is a little closer to their
>>current state. BTW I never exceeded 120mph. I was not racing with them...just
>>drivin' around a track. I'd hate to see them if they were on a car capable of the
>>'speed rating.'

Just for clarification's sake, speed rating refers to a goverment mandated test. It means that this tire ( w rated) can mantain 168 mph in a laboratory test, for 14 minutes without retaining enough heat to seperate. I think that on certain vehcle those tires could be torn on under 100 mph/

Dan

 

>>No racing slicks or DOT Legal competition tires will be permitted. Standard street legal tires with a minimum UTQG Treadwear Rating of 140 will be required.
>>Tire shaving is not permitted and all tires must complete the event with a minimum of 2/32-inch of remaining tread depth.
>>I'll look at the AO32R. Thanks.

I can recommend both the Yoko AVS Sports and Bridgestone S03s for what you want; they have lots of grip and take track abuse extremely well. Not sure if you can use something other than Yoko tires, but if you can the S03s are superb.

I'll by trying the ES100's myself in a few weeks for a comparison; but I wouldn't expect them to perform as well as the AVS Sports.

O32Rs won't work for you as someone else already mentioned; they are a street legal racing compound with a very low wear rating. Sweet tire; one of my favorites, but won't work for your rules

Sleepless

 

I bought the Prada Spec2s from the Tire Rack and am quite happy with them. The size is 215-35 18. I have been rather impressed with their grip (much more than my stock runflats and no squeel during hard cornering.

I have to say that I haven't had them on the track, nor have I worked them out too hard, but they feel like my track car on A008RS competition tires with the use I have given them so far.

Thumbs up from me.

 

Better than stock is a great direction to go!

My main question about these two tires is: Why does Yokohama make both? Is one more tuner/aesthetic and the other more performance oriented? That's my guess, just wondering what all you wheel-n-tire guru's thought about it

Cheers

 

Which is better in the wet stuff?

 

CooperSpeed- In the wet I would lean towards the ES-100.
Sleepless- The ES-100s are better in every category over the A520 that they replace. Back to back comparison bears this out (in a modified Miata).
notpaddyhopkirk- A008RS, these are tires my grandfather told me about. There is a set HERE for sale in 15".

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Es 100 is the better of the 2 in water. Parada wich is in its second generation is much better in water than the 1st generation Parada.

Via head to head testing, on or test track in we conditions. Tirerack's test track has a sprinkler sysem to keep the entire track evenly wet. 1/2 our staff tests wet, and 1/2 tests dry. That juts a glimpse into how we get the test results.

Dan