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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 07:53 AM
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I am about to go get my alignment and i think i am going to have them camber all of my tires to -1. i have stock rear end. what would you guys suggest to set the camber at for all 4 tires. i'm a pretty aggressive driver and i race auto x often But i do use a set of race tires for auto x.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 08:58 AM
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Not knowing what parts you have, I don't know what adjustments are possible.

-2.0° up front is good - if you can get that far.

rear? -1.5°? That's a guess...

My track car is now running -3.2° front and -2.4° rear. But, I haven't had it on the track yet to see how I like it that way.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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If your car's suspension is stock, it will depend on the year of your car whether or not the camber is adjustable. Seeing that you joined NAM in 2008, my guess is you have a R56 MCS which allows for some camber adjustment front and year. I would suggest as much negative front camber as you can get up to around -2 for the street. For the rear, between -1 to -1.5 would be good. You probably want the rear camber less negative than the front.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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I have 2006 Cooper and would also want to find out if camber is adjustable on stock suspension. I took off the wheel and was peeking around but found nothing that would clearly indicate that stock suspension can be adjusted.
Will I need camber plates up front to do this?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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On a 2006, yes, you will need camber plates. Front camber is not adjustable. Rear camber is very slightly adjustable.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by rallymaniac
I have 2006 Cooper and would also want to find out if camber is adjustable on stock suspension. I took off the wheel and was peeking around but found nothing that would clearly indicate that stock suspension can be adjusted.
Will I need camber plates up front to do this?
in your case your front camber is NOT adjustable.

for the newer generation MINI's there's a little alignment plug that can be removed to slide the strut tops in a bit. quikmini describes -2° but i dont think that's possible without camber plates.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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what adjusts the camber in the rear is it the control arms??
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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There's an adjuster where the outer end of the lower rear control arms attach. It does NOT provide a wide range of adjustment. Usually sufficient though, unless you lower the car... then you'll need to buy adjustable rear control arms.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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If you like to Auto-X and are not worried about being bumped up a class, front adjustable camber plates will make a hugh difference. You can adjust more negative (such as -3.0) for Auto-X and back to -2.0 or less for street. If you keep stock springs, you should be able to adjust the rear from about -1.0 to -2.0 degrees. You probably want to stay about a 1 degree less negative in the rear compared to the front (such as -2.2 front and -1.5 rear). With my JCW springs (about 1/2" shorter than stock), I can adjust my 2006 MCS to about -1.5 but I can not get any less negative due to the lowering which causes additional negative camber in the rear. Lowering does not effect the front camber. The other option for more negative front camber is the IE fixed camber plates which add -1.25 to whatever camber your car has stock (varies from car to car), however it is not adjustable. For Auto-X, no one would even know you had the fixed camber plates if you did not want to tell.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 07:04 AM
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Thanx for input all.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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FWIW all four corners are set @ -1.5 for regular use. from my research here on NAM, anything more than -2.0 for regular use will cause undue tire wear
 
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Old May 4, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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A tire pyrometer is good investment if you really want to set your car up accurately.
It takes some work, and you have to learn how to apply the readings, but it is sooooo worth it. Of course, it's more for track than auto X, but then you can always go back to white shoe polish for that.
 
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Old May 5, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mini_macky
FWIW all four corners are set @ -1.5 for regular use. from my research here on NAM, anything more than -2.0 for regular use will cause undue tire wear
Tire wear all depends on how you drive. I run -2 up front and -1.5 rear and get very even wear......but I drive it on the twisties a lot, very little hwy miles.

A lot of hwy miles will show uneven wear with too much camber.
 
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Old May 5, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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I only need to run -1.3° front and rear to get perfect wear on my Hoosiers, however my car also has low Cg and very high roll stiffness. On a basically stock MINI, around -2° front and -1.5° rear is more in line to get good tire wear on-track. With snid running over -3° camber, he must have massive body roll to rationalize such high camber angles.
 
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Old May 5, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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I've only had -3° for one event so far. Perhaps it will turn out to be the wrong setting, who knows.
 
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Old May 5, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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Running 42 lbs. of pressure all the way around. Stock 2005 S with sport suspension. Well lets just say it looked like I spent more time on the sides of the front tires than the tread.
Seriously looking at camber plates for next track day.
Maybe it was me. Thought I may have been turning in to aggressively.
Judge for yourself.
 
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