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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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Yet another clarification

As I go thru some of my old threads and replys, I'm finding that my quick responses have lead to some fuzzy information. I corrected one thread about the CofG.

Here's another; when changing tire width or wheel offset, scrub changes. I wrote that it is possible to gain back stock SAI by adding more neg camber. That is wrong. It is possible to gain back (some or all) scrub, but the SAI angle is forever changed.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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on an earlier post from about 3 yrs ago, i mentioned that the
brakes queaked at around 5mph coming to a stop. that is wrong.
it was actually 4.7mph approaching at a 0.12degree grade.



 
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Old Feb 8, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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Since we are making corrections. I would like to correct a post I made a few years back. It seems I said I knew what I was doing. Apparently this is not true.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 12:16 AM
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If you don't know what you are doing then you cant be doing it wrong

If you know what you are doing then you will be aware that you are doing it wrong and regret it till the end of your days

so just do it and don't look back
 
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SB
Since we are making corrections. I would like to correct a post I made a few years back. It seems I said I knew what I was doing. Apparently this is not true.
I seem to be in the same boat.
 
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 06:36 AM
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by meb
Here's another; when changing tire width or wheel offset, scrub changes. I wrote that it is possible to gain back stock SAI by adding more neg camber. That is wrong. It is possible to gain back (some or all) scrub, but the SAI angle is forever changed.
Hey meb,

what's tire scrub and SAI?
 
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 06:14 AM
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To the first replys, funny, real funny guys Kenchan, where been? Your humor is still spot on!

SAI (Steering Axis of Inlcination) or Kingpin axis is the angle depeicted by a line the runs from the top and center of the strut tower thru the center of the lower ball joint. This line is typically extended to the ground where is usually(always?) falls under the contact patch. The distance from this point to the center line of the tire is one way of describing scrub. This line may fall inside, outside or at the center of the center line. Basically, this point defines the fulcrum about which the wheel turns. SAI si also responsible for lifting the vehicle's front end as the wheels are turned. Gravity essentially pulls the vehicle back down and it is this force that creates a self centering and return to center feel in the steering.

Center point steering - SAI meets the tire's center line at ground.

Positive scrub - SAI falls outside the tire's centerline

Neg scrub - SAI falls inside the tire's center line

Neg scrub is typically found on very sporty rear wheel drive cars. The leverage point has a closer relationship to the tire's actual contact patch.

Mini has positive scrub
 
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