So what exactly are you supposed to do if you are hot in a turn and you have to slow down with a larger rear sway? I don't want to end up spinning the car like a top.

 

Just pull the emergency brake. Wait!! No, don't do that.

If it's set up with enough rear bar and you let off the gas quickly, you're pretty much guaranteed to have to countersteer as the rear end WILL be coming out. My recommendation would be to not tune the rear to be that stiff if you're going to be in on-road situations like that.

If you have a larger rear sway, but leave it at the softest setting, you won't get instant oversteer unless you are REALLY on the brakes. Also, unless you're at 10/10ths, I don't imagine this will be an issue.

I have the 22mm rear Mini Madness sway bar, and at about 8/10ths can use the brakes moderately with minimal oversteer issues in turns. Also, I get no understeer at all on almost any track situation.

Bottom line - if you're going around blind corners with a 22mm sway bar at 10/10ths, you will have problems. Remove one of those, and it's less of an issue.

 

Get thee to a driving school.

Find your local BMWCCA chapter, and sign up for one of their car control clinics / advanced driver skills schools. They're parking lot based schools (not race track schools) where they'll teach you about these things in a safe environment.

 

snid's response is the correct one.

There are too many variables to answer that question, but the bar should in theory help you to drive thru the turn. Sometimes dropping the throttle early helps rotation, then opening the throttle maintains steady state cornering. But, if you are in the turn "too hot", you might have run out of options.

Just keep in mind that setting a car up for a track or for anything in that direction removes more and more 'stupid' factor from driving. Onasled once wrote that his car was at one point very hard to drive on the street. On a track, folks usually have the same goals and general level of skill...and you get to know the track.

So aside from an HPDE, don't go in too hot. The street isn't really the plcae to test things at 10/10s or higher

 

To that point...... I set up my car once to Randy Webb's spec and found it undriveable day to day...... I had to detune it so that if I sneezed I would not cross 3 lanes of traffic..... it has been said hundreds of times.... decide what your car wants to be when it grows up and head in that direction.

 

Fastest was around a corner. Slow in fast out.

 

with a bbk and a large rsb, one learns to get the braking done in a straight line (for the most part).

 

I figured the right answer would be to slow down. Schools will teach you to look ahead (also car control in such a situation). If you don't know whats around the corner, don't go hot. If you not comfortable with the edge, go to a school, or slow down.

 

This is where you learn the difference between understeer and oversteer!

 

If you crash nose first.....Understeer

If you crash tail first.....Oversteer

If you don't crash.....you've done it right

As snid said.....Get thee to a driving school

 

Yup, Old Nascar Roundy Round boys said that ...

Smack the wall with the engine ... understeer
Smack the wall with the trunk ... oversteer!

 

I thought them good old boys said she's a puushin or she's a real looose

 

Hope that you have not turned off your DSC.


Also what snid said: "Get thee to a driving school."

Another alternative would be: Don't drive like that on public roads! You might ... uh, WILL .. dent your car!

 

It sounds like you need some seat time on the track or a skid pad to get to know your car. In time you will know the limits of your car and its setup. Braking capacity, camber, tire pressure, throttle steer, balance of the car, the super-elevation of the curve and on and on and on. There are too many factors to consider a simple solution other than don't do it. Kind-of-a anti-Nike approach. The large sway bar will affect the handling but it is by no means the sole factor in how the car will perform in every situation.


On a race track, lap times are about being smooth and quick. It's not necessary to win a drag race on a road course. On the street you need to keep your head on straight and not do something you will regret...

Good Luck and may there be a lot of grass between you and the tire wall


DJDPORT66

 

But having that Big bar in the back can make it fun.

Since I use to drive sprint cars I got use to using slides instead of brakes for
turns. It may not be the fastest way around, but as long as im winning my
class and the people I take along for the ride leaves with the biggest smiles
on there faces. I'm going to keep doing it










Oh btw this was done with all Throttle no braking at all.

 

Short and dumb answer to original question: be ready to opposite lock and hit the gas to get yourself going in the correct direction.

 

Don't forget: Look a little further ahead...

 

It sure will change the way you corner on the track.
I find it grips to the point where once the car does start to slide, if I lift just a little off the gas the back end comes loose.

It took me several spins and trips through the grass to learn to handle the new sway bar!

John

 

answer is simple.... dont go in too hot.

 

If asking this question indicates that you really don't know how the car will react then my advice would be to pray that you hit something soft. I would then advise that, as others have said, you get some type of high performance driver's training so that you won't need to ask this question again. There's no substitute for experience but get it where it's safe for everyone.
Good Luck!

 

You DRIFTTTTTTTT

 

So when's the autocross start back up so I can ride with ya?

 

Sure im always looking for Passengers at the events. Since im in SM class and with the pax that is set for it .. I really don't have a Snowballs chance in heck of winner the Overall standing at the end of the year. So I do this for fun and i dont care if all runs are considered Fun runs.