too funny!



By the way, an evaluation is really very difficult. There are great features to be had with either system, it's a matter of choice. Over-all cost is a factor for me...my wife is all over me lately I have a $6,000.00 budget limit.

The Bilsteins apparently ride very well and I would associate this characteristic with the progressive rate springs. But, I'm not looking for progressive rate springs, so these never made my list. I've used many Bilstein products in the past and they were quite remarkable. Given the wife factor, and the fact that this car ain't mine, I went for bang for the buck, and linear rates...as well as for all the other features. I'm sure that the Megans, like evryhting else in this world, will not be perfect.

Time will tell. I have two LRP events in one month. I'll write an in-depth analysis including my entire set-up info here - with set-up assumptions too.

 

Does anyone have a spec for minimum and maximum drop for the Megan coilovers?

 

Between Common sense and sound ride/suspension theory...

 

I can't even belive I just read that...what a laugh!

 

I laughed all the way to the bank. Its all subjective. No reason to be nasty!

Sorry Joel, that your thread was hijacked by these people!

 

Early Megan buyers got a fair price on a set of pretty nice looking ,non-race proven ,barely street tested coil-overs. They may look nice but they are not Bilsteins. Lets see , Bilstein has a long history as an industry leader Megan does not. Hence the reason you are paying more for the Bilsteins .Can anyone seriously argue with that?

You can buy a Bosch power tool and pay more or go to Harbor freight and get a deal on a tool that serves the same purpose but has no work history or known life expectancy. I hope that Megan does spend some time in the MINI world and develop some quality products for us in the future. I think the Megan coilovers have a place but it ain't at the head of the pack.

Now if will excuse me again I am going to slip back into my flame suit and hang out near a large source of water. maybe I will hang out near a firehouse.....airports have those foam units for putting down flames maybe I will go watch some planes while standing next to the fire equipment...

 

Hmmm, you are right about Bilstein, however, something tells me that Bilstein also had to start somewhere. Now you swear by them, and I glad that you like them, however, most of this is subjective, not objective. So we all gave Joel our opinions on various setups. That is great!! But there is no need to go after each other over it!

 

I'll bet it has more to do with the exchange rate than price gouging. Bilstein is a huge company and the amount of profit they make off Mini coilovers is nothing to them.

Joel, as you already know, I have PSS9s on my BMW and KW V2s on the Mini. The PSS9s have lasted over 5 years without any problems. They've done well over 1,000 miles on the Nürburgring Nordschleife and even survived Tucson's pothole ridden streets. The KW V2s had to be sent back for warranty repair within the first 6 months of owning them and a month of that was on a boat!

My vote goes for the PSS9s

Oh and if you do decided to go with the Megans, I'll take the RDR camber plates off your hands

 

Steve,
Thanks for the offer I knew you would chime in eventually. Can you believe I have had my car apart 3 times in the last 5 weeks for the darn susp???!!!???


To everyone else:

Thanks for the opionions related to the topic. Those of you who wish to discuss the merits of Bilstein vs Megan Racing please start your own thread. I appreciate your experienced opinions, but no need to carry out the "discussion" in ragards to the relative merits of them here.

Thanks again!

BTW, probably gonna go with the Bilsteins if Johnathan at worldone.com can match Eric's price on them!

 

By the way, what is max negative camber you can get with these Megan plates? I thought I heard a while back is was something around -2.

 

Hey, support our Mini vendors!....

 

Nobody mentioned Motons...

Of course, there's the sticker shock of several thousand for the 3-way's... and then you still have to buy springs to go with them. But hey, you want the ultimate?

That being said, I'd go PSS9's - I plan to, someday. Maybe after the Bilstein SP's on my car now go south (in about another 10 years - hah!).

 

I'm running -2.3 front, -1.9 rear. There is room for more if you want it.

 

Uh....worldone is a vendor.

 

Yeah those would be great, if I didn't have to pay for the car they are going on! Seriously I have a bud who has Motons on his 450whp Audi S4 and he loves them. 'Course his S4 has 450whp, no a/c, stripped interior, full cage, fmic, Garret turbo, full brembos, schrick cams, etc, etc...

 

Do have the Megans? Or the Bilsteins? Or any other with which to compare? What sort of experiences do have that allow you such authoritative sarcasm? Or are you simply speaking without thinking?

This type of response does nothing but start trouble. You certainly did not contribute to an intelligent critique.

DK23 isn't new to high performance components.

 

[quote=K9MINI]Early Megan buyers got a fair price on a set of pretty nice looking ,non-race proven ,barely street tested coil-overs. They may look nice but they are not Bilsteins. Lets see , Bilstein has a long history as an industry leader Megan does not. Hence the reason you are paying more for the Bilsteins .Can anyone seriously argue with that?

Sure I can, but you prove it...everything you wrote. Lets hear the objective followed by the subjective - from the touch and feel thru to a full on road test. What are the design difference between the two? I'm very patient...

 

[QUOTE=meb]What????????

 

So thats not the max negative camber?

 

I'm simply asking for your proof. You wrote that Megans are not Bilsteins, support your claim. Surely you must have extensive experience with both???

Basically, anyone who makes a claim about a product or compares products without actual experience is blowing anecdotal sunshine K9. The two are as dis-similar as they are similar from a feature and design standpoint making a comparison, a learned comparison, interesting conversation at best. Whether one is more durable than the other is also anecdotal outside of a rigid, longterm test. How each perform is a matter of preferred venue and taste. And from a pure track perspective, progressive rate springs are not the ticket.

 

this thread is going sideways

 

Hey!, .... I did!.

Sold my Pss9s for a set. Going on the racecar....unlimited spring rates!

 

ok....tell about Megans race history Meb. I ask this because Bilsteins were on the Corvette ZR-1 that broke the 24 hour land speed record 174mph average over 24 hours.

Then tell me about the thorough street testing that led to a product being released with numerous failures on the first installs.

They do look nice.

You want me to dig up valving specs? Ok I will get the Bilstein specs and you get the Megan specs.

Again I didn't have to cut a hole in my body after removing interior pannels so I could adjust my settings. Do you still really think that the Megans were designed as a MINI specific piece? Have fun with your 12 year MINI perforation warranty now that you made a great place for road salt to enter.

You bought what you bought and I got something different. I just think mine are better quality. You think yours are better so in 50k miles we should come back and have a real world discussion about expected life span. Enjoy your set up and I will enjoy mine. If you are willing I will let you drive mine and I will drive yours sometime in the spring.



Well back to the airport so I can be near the Foam Fire truck

 

I have the KW V2s actually and while I am not an expert i do have a little experience in the industry. I don't care if my response causes trouble. I think Megan products are junk plain and simple. I have seen their shotty welds blow on manifolds and exhaust. I have had to repair hangers and such for customers. Heck do what I did. Go on Megans website and look at their distributor list. I called 5 of the ones listed and three of them suggested I look into a "better" system. The rest told me the exhaust was being redesigned due to fitment issues which proves yet again their products (not just Mini) are not thoroughly tested before selling.

Did I contribute to an intelligent critique? Of course I did. The topic starter asked which coilover to go with and when Megan was brought up I told him to stay away plain and simple and why. Obviously no one owning this setup wants to hear they bought an inferior prouct so they will stand by it. Like K9 said the have never been track proven and i agree that in 6 months time more problems will arise.

Last thing to say...hasn't anyone noticed that NONE of the more "established" Mini shops with real track knowledge and race ready vehicles and experience endorse these coilovers? Not Helix, Webb, Madness or M7. What does that tell you?

 

Hey Saifa.....take your non-scientific approach and go somewhere else, your using common sense here!

I will be at the airport........