Suspension F56 Handling characteristics
#1
F56 Handling characteristics
I'm trying to understand my mini, I thought these cars self center steer from factory?
It seems like when I turn my f56 JCW mini it stays turned, My other cars return to center. I hope I'm describing this correctly. I'm guessing it needs more caster = better feel? On the interstate, during straight drives I'm always correcting. It has always done this even before I started modifying/changing my suspension, and still continues to. Would preloading My NM sway bar help? Also I know I do need to take it in for an alignment, but I was wondering how others have theirs set up.
It seems like when I turn my f56 JCW mini it stays turned, My other cars return to center. I hope I'm describing this correctly. I'm guessing it needs more caster = better feel? On the interstate, during straight drives I'm always correcting. It has always done this even before I started modifying/changing my suspension, and still continues to. Would preloading My NM sway bar help? Also I know I do need to take it in for an alignment, but I was wondering how others have theirs set up.
Last edited by djtomy; 06-19-2018 at 12:38 PM.
#3
I'm trying to understand my mini, I thought these cars self center steer from factory?
It seems like when I turn my f56 JCW mini it stays turned, My other cars return to center. I hope I'm describing this correctly. I'm guessing it needs more caster = better feel? On the interstate, during straight drives I'm always correcting. It has always done this even before I started modifying/changing my suspension, and still continues to. Would preloading My NM sway bar help? Also I know I do need to take it in for an alignment, but I was wondering how others have theirs set up.
It seems like when I turn my f56 JCW mini it stays turned, My other cars return to center. I hope I'm describing this correctly. I'm guessing it needs more caster = better feel? On the interstate, during straight drives I'm always correcting. It has always done this even before I started modifying/changing my suspension, and still continues to. Would preloading My NM sway bar help? Also I know I do need to take it in for an alignment, but I was wondering how others have theirs set up.
Check alignment
Then
Reinitialize EPS (Electronic Power Steering)
#4
I believe I need more caster, it wonders all over the place. Yeah it goes in a straight line, but as soon as you turn the wheel it goes that direction until you turn it back. I'm getting tired of this! especially on road trips 45 mins in it just drives me crazy. I've searched for caster Adjust on the f56 cant seem to find a write up, and I'm not to sure about the
K-MAC Stage 2 Street/Race - Front Adjustable Camber/Caster Plates 195416-2N
K-MAC Stage 2 Street/Race - Front Adjustable Camber/Caster Plates 195416-2N
#5
#6
I havent tried that yet, ok I will, I’m out of warranty and I have a jb4 tuner plugged in to my port. Mini is about an hour or 2 away. I’ll call make an appointment, what should that cost?
#7
I have no idea on cost.
I remember driving away from the dealer, and making a left turn, and steering wheel not recovering.
Took it back and they said the alignment was fine, caster was around 5 and equal.
drove it for a few days, and returned, another tech looked at it, and returned it to me 10 minutes later, we went for a drive, and
it was fixed. He said he reinitialized the EPS because he believed the previous DME recode didn't fully reset everything.
Did you get a DME recode? It would have been a 4/2017 "recall" they didn't make public.
I remember driving away from the dealer, and making a left turn, and steering wheel not recovering.
Took it back and they said the alignment was fine, caster was around 5 and equal.
drove it for a few days, and returned, another tech looked at it, and returned it to me 10 minutes later, we went for a drive, and
it was fixed. He said he reinitialized the EPS because he believed the previous DME recode didn't fully reset everything.
Did you get a DME recode? It would have been a 4/2017 "recall" they didn't make public.
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#8
I have no idea on cost.
I remember driving away from the dealer, and making a left turn, and steering wheel not recovering.
Took it back and they said the alignment was fine, caster was around 5 and equal.
drove it for a few days, and returned, another tech looked at it, and returned it to me 10 minutes later, we went for a drive, and
it was fixed. He said he reinitialized the EPS because he believed the previous DME recode didn't fully reset everything.
Did you get a DME recode? It would have been a 4/2017 "recall" they didn't make public.
I remember driving away from the dealer, and making a left turn, and steering wheel not recovering.
Took it back and they said the alignment was fine, caster was around 5 and equal.
drove it for a few days, and returned, another tech looked at it, and returned it to me 10 minutes later, we went for a drive, and
it was fixed. He said he reinitialized the EPS because he believed the previous DME recode didn't fully reset everything.
Did you get a DME recode? It would have been a 4/2017 "recall" they didn't make public.
#9
An independent BMW/MINI shop can do this.
#10
I took it to a local place this morning (Sport Motoring Santa Rosa beach FL) and made an appointment for next thurs. I tried to tell them what was going on, they seemed to not understand, but willing to help. They said that can do factory resets / presets, what ever. They kept asking me if a CEL was on, and there isn't. I ran the codes its perfect. I'll should probably get an alignment too while its there. I have a feeling I'm going to be spending a lot of money and the car will come back the same..
Last edited by djtomy; 08-31-2018 at 04:09 PM.
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#13
We did a road test, the tech wasn't sure if its the JCW handling characteristic or a need for a recode Hopefully He will put it up on the rack tomorrow. Meanwhile I called mini they told me no such problems like that reported, they didn't even ask what I was driving, I told them it has 9k miles. They said they will do an alignment but it will cost me. I'm not driving 2 hours for an alignment. So back to the independent shop tomorrow...
If someone can chime in here maybe its just me.. Post a video or tell me what there experiencing from a factory F56 JCW point of view correct steering feel.
I may just need to drive another JCW or a buy different car...
Forget it, I'm selling it...
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=212630003
If someone can chime in here maybe its just me.. Post a video or tell me what there experiencing from a factory F56 JCW point of view correct steering feel.
I may just need to drive another JCW or a buy different car...
Forget it, I'm selling it...
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=212630003
Last edited by djtomy; 08-31-2018 at 04:13 PM.
#14
We did a road test, the tech wasn't sure if its the JCW handling characteristic or a need for a recode Hopefully He will put it up on the rack tomorrow. Meanwhile I called mini they told me no such problems like that reported, they didn't even ask what I was driving, I told them it has 9k miles. They said they will do an alignment but it will cost me. I'm not driving 2 hours for an alignment. So back to the independent shop tomorrow...
If someone can chime in here maybe its just me.. Post a video or tell me what there experiencing from a factory F56 JCW point of view correct steering feel.
I may just need to drive another JCW or a buy different car...
Forget it, I'm selling it...
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=212630003
If someone can chime in here maybe its just me.. Post a video or tell me what there experiencing from a factory F56 JCW point of view correct steering feel.
I may just need to drive another JCW or a buy different car...
Forget it, I'm selling it...
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=212630003
I don't get your problems, driving a F56 JCW standard as daily car, its perfect. Ok it never reaches 248 km/h, its twisty and dangerous at higher speeds, but fast enough.
The car is ex factory well balanced and gives nearly all classes of drivers the impression of being fast, not many really go over 200 km/h.
If you are considering track days or race, the setup is complete different, a limited slip differential is minimum, and until you can't bring the tires over 80 Degrees C we can't talk
about discussable cornering speeds. I agree that on fast sections the mini rear is thrilling and a perfect setup and the pick of the right hardware helpful to stay relaxed.
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#16
Steering wheel not returning to center could be a few things.
Alignment wise: Caster and or toe
Hardware: Steering components binding, steering rack problem, damaged strut mounts, bad ball joints, seizing tie rod ends.
Judging by your car being a salvage title I would venture to guess you have chassis damage or component that has failed or was not repaired properly.
Alignment wise: Caster and or toe
Hardware: Steering components binding, steering rack problem, damaged strut mounts, bad ball joints, seizing tie rod ends.
Judging by your car being a salvage title I would venture to guess you have chassis damage or component that has failed or was not repaired properly.
#17
Steering wheel not returning to center could be a few things.
Alignment wise: Caster and or toe
Hardware: Steering components binding, steering rack problem, damaged strut mounts, bad ball joints, seizing tie rod ends.
Judging by your car being a salvage title I would venture to guess you have chassis damage or component that has failed or was not repaired properly.
Alignment wise: Caster and or toe
Hardware: Steering components binding, steering rack problem, damaged strut mounts, bad ball joints, seizing tie rod ends.
Judging by your car being a salvage title I would venture to guess you have chassis damage or component that has failed or was not repaired properly.
#18
While browsing through newtis I saw this about the steering rack :
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ing/1VnXVc97tH
which leads me to believe your problem is a coding issue. Look for "active steering wheel return" in the bulleted list at the top.
Hope this helps
-Mike
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ing/1VnXVc97tH
which leads me to believe your problem is a coding issue. Look for "active steering wheel return" in the bulleted list at the top.
Hope this helps
-Mike
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#19
While browsing through newtis I saw this about the steering rack :
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ing/1VnXVc97tH
which leads me to believe your problem is a coding issue. Look for "active steering wheel return" in the bulleted list at the top.
Hope this helps
-Mike
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/f...ing/1VnXVc97tH
which leads me to believe your problem is a coding issue. Look for "active steering wheel return" in the bulleted list at the top.
Hope this helps
-Mike
Ive been telling the OP this for a while!!
Reinitialize EPS. It takes 5 minutes on an ISTA machine.
Also SAS calibration, (Steering Angle Sensor)
It worked for me, I would turn, and the car wouldn't recover to center. Worse to the left.
Electromechanical Power Steering assist also negates torque steer.
#20
Ive been telling the OP this for a while!!
Reinitialize EPS. It takes 5 minutes on an ISTA machine.
Also SAS calibration, (Steering Angle Sensor)
It worked for me, I would turn, and the car wouldn't recover to center. Worse to the left.
Electromechanical Power Steering assist also negates torque steer.
Reinitialize EPS. It takes 5 minutes on an ISTA machine.
Also SAS calibration, (Steering Angle Sensor)
It worked for me, I would turn, and the car wouldn't recover to center. Worse to the left.
Electromechanical Power Steering assist also negates torque steer.
There estimating 1.5 hours to do this $177.00
Last edited by djtomy; 09-07-2018 at 11:24 PM.
#21
I watched the tech do it in 5 minutes.
https://www.autoequipment.com.au/ima...paper%2043.pdf
#22
Does that include their lunch break??
I watched the tech do it in 5 minutes.
https://www.autoequipment.com.au/ima...paper%2043.pdf
I wish I lived closer to you TVPostsound, I would just take it to your mechanic.
Thanks for that link it will come in handy,
I thought it was a little much. Especially when the first time he told me it would be just an hour rate.. I think Ill find another shop....
Last edited by djtomy; 09-18-2018 at 07:56 AM.
#23
I don't know what the correct time is involved in fixing your issue, but when people say it is a 5 minute job they ignore the obvious things. Such as test drive car before and after, account for the fact that it might not be the solution. Shop overhead, labor, know how, software and machinery to get jobs done. Nothing is going to be charged in 5 minute increments or the shops would be out of business.
Obviously as the consumer you have to decide, but don't do it on the basis of 5 minutes to fix it.
Obviously as the consumer you have to decide, but don't do it on the basis of 5 minutes to fix it.
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#24
@DJTomy Did you happen to get this sorted?
And 100% what @Minnie.the.Moocher said. I work in a digital agency, and know first hand that a "5 minute" code change is easily an hour's worth of time:
And 100% what @Minnie.the.Moocher said. I work in a digital agency, and know first hand that a "5 minute" code change is easily an hour's worth of time:
- Q&A with client to clarify request (service writer gets needed info from car owner)
- PM writes up task to create a paper trail of the work and assigns to engineer (creates service order)
- Engineer makes the change and test in a sandbox (technician does "the work")
- Engineer deploys to a staging server to test against production code (does a road test)
- Engineer deploys to production, logs their time with any notes on the work, and notifies PM (returns completed service order to service writer with notes on actual work performed)
- PM confirms change with client (return car to owner)
#25
No, not yet, I do need help... Just seems that nobody understands what the heck I'm talking about, except you guys of course... I wish there was a Dealer that had this similar situation in the south, I would drive to it to them... The car just sits with a cover on it, I just don't drive it anymore… If anyone wants it, make me an offer...
@DJTomy Did you happen to get this sorted?
And 100% what @Minnie.the.Moocher said. I work in a digital agency, and know first hand that a "5 minute" code change is easily an hour's worth of time:
No single step takes more than 5 minutes. Put them all together… an hour, easy. And every single one of them is necessary.
And 100% what @Minnie.the.Moocher said. I work in a digital agency, and know first hand that a "5 minute" code change is easily an hour's worth of time:
No single step takes more than 5 minutes. Put them all together… an hour, easy. And every single one of them is necessary.
Last edited by djtomy; 09-30-2018 at 07:03 PM.