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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 01:33 PM
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Hotchkis Lower Rear Camber Links

As I am on my way out the door to go to lunch, I see that my right rear tire has negative camber coming out the ***. So I take a look and the locking nuts are loose and can be twisted w/o tools. I also see from the (-) camber that the center section is backed off pretty far too. So I take her around back, at the office, lift her up, and re-adjust back to where it looks to be better than it was, and re-tighten down.

Has anyone else, had the problem of the locking nuts backing off or hit a bump of some kind and the nuts back off? A guy at works said I should use blue loctite, but I don't think this is necessary, or the right thing to do. Besides locking down the locking nuts is there anything else you can do, to make sure that they don't come loose? Guessing I just need to make sure they are snug and double check.

Anyway, any and all suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 01:39 PM
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the camber links are basically large turnbuckles

in aviation, turnbuckles are always saftied, either with wire or special one use clips that prevent inadvertant movement

if and when i get any, i will drill holes for safty wire

blue locktite would be ok too, but personally, i will use safty wire

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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 01:47 PM
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do you know where these one use clips you be purchased from? Are you talking about drilling a tiny hole in the the thread and then running wire thru the hole to prevent it from backing off? In turn the nut hitting the wire.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedRacer0212
do you know where these one use clips you be purchased from? Are you talking about drilling a tiny hole in the the thread and then running wire thru the hole to prevent it from backing off? In turn the nut hitting the wire.
the one use clips are only for matching mil-spec turnbuckles

the holes would be drilled thru a "corner" of the nut and a "corner" of the center piece (what is the point of a hexagon called anyway?)

the safty wire is run between the 2 pieces in such a way as to pull then tighter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_wire <-- pictures included!

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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedRacer0212
As I am on my way out the door to go to lunch, I see that my right rear tire has negative camber coming out the ***. So I take a look and the locking nuts are loose and can be twisted w/o tools. I also see from the (-) camber that the center section is backed off pretty far too. So I take her around back, at the office, lift her up, and re-adjust back to where it looks to be better than it was, and re-tighten down.

Has anyone else, had the problem of the locking nuts backing off or hit a bump of some kind and the nuts back off? A guy at works said I should use blue loctite, but I don't think this is necessary, or the right thing to do. Besides locking down the locking nuts is there anything else you can do, to make sure that they don't come loose? Guessing I just need to make sure they are snug and double check.

Anyway, any and all suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
I think safety string is great idea but too much of an overkill in this situation. I would just use loctite. Alternatively, I retorque my suspension parts yearly to make sure it is all up to spec. You could do the same.

I do use safety string in my two piece rotors/ hat.
 

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by slinger688
I think safety string is great idea but too much of an overkill in this situation. I would just use loctite. Alternatively, I retorque my suspension parts yearly to make sure it is all up to spec. You could do the same.

I do use safety string in my two piece rotors/ hat.
When I got home yesterday the right locking nut was loose, but the left one was secure, so I re-tighten that right one. When I got into the park lot this morning the right one was loose again. When I get home this afternoon, I am going to use Blue Loctite and be done with it.

Either my rear BC Coilovers are too stiff, and when the suspension is hitting bumps it knocking them loose or the nuts are installed incorrectly. I mean the left rear camber link bolts have not move or loosened *knock on wood*. I am planning on dropping the dampening setting on the rear from 12 to 8 and seeing how this feels, just have't gotten around to re-adjusting that. Then again, I don't think this will affect how hard or soft the suspension will travel when going over bumps, this just helps for ride comfort.

Does anyone know if one nut is suppose to tighten one direction and the other is suppose to tighten the opposite direction? When tightening the right link I go up towards the floor boards of the car for both nuts. I mean I feel stupid in the fact that I am asking if the bolts need to be tightened in opposite directions, because if I flip it around, then one bolt will just screw down toward the ground to tighten. Do we want opposite directions for tighten?

During first assembly, I did not remove the bolts, just screwed in the left side to the right side that had the center section. I think I am going to give Way (WayMotorWorks) a call or send an email in addition to your guys help, as that is where I purchased the links from, he will have insight.

Let me know what you guys think.
 

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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 05:37 AM
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Yes the tighten in opposite directions both against the middle turn buckle.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2012 | 06:41 AM
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Alright. When I get home, I will lift her up on the right rear, undo the right link, flip the bolt, eye up the negative camber, add blue loctite, and re-tighten. I have an appt this Saturday at the dealer to get the alignment fixed on the right rear, so this is good an they are fixing it for free, since they did my alignment.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:05 AM
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Actually, flipping around the nut does not do anything. It still goes the same direction that I was previously doing for tightening. But actually I was mistaken. Down to the ground is to tighten and up to the floor boards is to loosen.

Also, I read that blue - Semi-permanent (servicable) Loctite is necessary to secure the bolts so that they do not vibrate loose. I have used Blue Loctite and they have not gone anywhere, from home to work, work to lunch, lunch to work. It would be safe to say that a little bit of loctite goes a long where *knock on wood*. I will just have to make sure that the dealership have my loctite when re-tightening the bolts down. Thanks.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:12 AM
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Yes blue loctite should be used as mentioned before.

Tighten both nuts against the center turn turn buckle. One on the bottom and one on the top.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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They are both doing that, being tightened against the blue center. I was just saying that one is not tightening down and the other is tightening up. They both tighten in the down direction because the threads they screw on are going in different directions.
 
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