oops meant "MY" car went on an "unsprung" weight diet yesterday, by dropping a few pounds from each corner of the car. I picked up on some 6 piston calipers from TCE Performance it is so much lighter now, I didnt even think about this side benefit.

I had Todd install the calipers for me and they look fantastic! I will post up pic's in the near future

As a side note, I had some bird crap on my car yesterday and after I cleaned it off, it looks like it ate through the clear coat, any suggestions to help out? I dont want to take it in to get just the clear coat replaced, has anyone had luck with some type of waxes out there?

 

6 piston huh! Did you upgrade your rotors and pads too?

Can't wait for pix!

 

not the rotors, but yes the calipers came with new pads. If you go to the website I did the first pkg.. I did do the red calipers to match my car

 

Saw your sig about your brakes, I'm interested, (soon to be sold ones)
Bryan

 

So are these the Wilwood DP6 calipers ? I like the oem fit and rotor retention and that I can keep my 16" wheels
post up some pictures

 

+1! Very interested!

 

*bump*
let's see those pictures ? I'm curious about how much less of the rotor is swept. I understand the pads are about 1.7" tall & I've been too lazy to measure the stock pads.
TCE's claim of shedding 24lbs seems way too good to be true ! any more details ?

 

OK will post up pics soon, just been so busy, then when I have the chance I am not thinking about it.. Not sure about 24 lbs per side, but the stock brakes weigh a TON compared to the new ones. The stock brakes each weigh about 12 lbs, not sure what the new ones weigh, but its a lot less. I can imagine 24 lbs total with new lighter weight rotors. I will get pics out of the car this week..

 

yes they are

 

The DP6 on oe stock 294 discs.

 

OK, those are from my car, I sent some to Todd to post up for me..

 

Thanks for the update. It's a little disappointing to see the rusty unswept area. That is a sharp looking caliper otherwise.

 

Put it on a 13" hat and rotor combo. You cannot change the size of the oe hat.

 

how about your Plus 2 kit with the Dynapro's & 12.2" rotors ? I want to lose the 'rust belt', shed the weight, AND squeeze under my 16" Rota RB's.

 

No go. Totally different mounting systems.

Custom 'one off'? Ok but only a few bucks less than the 13" kit.

 

What do you mean no go ?

Here's your description, the only parts that aren't totally clear are if the calipers are the Dynapro 6's or the older Dynapro 4 pistons. I'm guessing I'll have to pull a wheel and do some measuring to see if they'll fit under the 16
Rota RB's

 

yeah the DP6's wont work with the 12.2 (because of the mounting system for the calipers). In a few months I will either be upgrading the brakes to the new 13" rotors Todd has (not the ones pictured though) or I will be getting an exhaust (need to decide). But if I go with the new rotors I will post up some pics. The unswept area on the stockers isnt that bad to be honest.

 

Let me try to clear up the confusion because it looks like we're having a couple variations of questions.

The "caliper kit" is built for the 294 and 320mm discs only.

The Plus1 and Plus2 Wilwood factory kits are build for their included rotors and use the DynaPro caliper only.

The Plus3 kit offers the DP6 as an option on the 13" rotor.


Now, what makes all this different is that the factory Wilwood kits with the DP caliper are all radial mount to the aluminum mounting bracket and will fit that caliper only. The DP6 caliper is lug mount caliper and will in no way bolt to the factory kit brackets. As an independent, I have produced the necessary mounting brackets for the DP6 to fit both the oe rotors listed as well as a substitute bracket for my 13" kit.

"Could the DP6 be fit to the 12.2 rotor package?" Of course, assuming we produced proper bracket for it. The problem is that it could not be a sub item for a factory kit for a minimal up charge. To produce it that way the final kit would be a TCE product and require I source the related parts by line item. Depending upon the rotors of choice the final cost to do that would put the retail somewhere closer to the $11-1200 price point thus putting it in comp with the 13" kits and potentially confusing customers even more with the variations.

Because of all that (and that I cannot compete with my main supplier) there's no point in trying to market this. At least that's how I view it. If someone wants it that bad you can call me and order it but it won't end up as a kit listing.

 

So...
aside from how they're mounted, when I'm running around town or attending a lapping day at the track, what differences would I notice between the DynaPro 6 caliper and the DynaPro (4) 12.2 kits ?
I'm not willing to go to larger wheels, so the 13" & 13.1" kits are not an option, and I'm not worried about 4 piston vs. 6 piston bragging rights.

 

Hard to compare. You mean a DP6 on an oe rotor set up? Which rotor? Compared to the standard Plus2 kit for example? Just need to better understand what you are trying to compare.

Caliper to caliper they are the same in piston area, one does not clamp more than the other.

 

Well what's the advantage of the Plus 2 kit ? saving extra weight ? cheaper rotor replacement ? does the rotor area better match the swept area of the pads ? I just want to know if there's any justification or advantage of one system over the other.

 

Ok, I'm taking it you want to know the advantage of the Plus2 kit over the caliper kit. And I'll go out on a limb and say when fit to the 294mm rotor.

With that in mind: (some info estimated)

Caliper kit-
3.0 sq" piston area
11.5" rotor dia
3.5lb caliper
18lb rotor
7.3sq" pad
.490 thick pad
Low profile clearance for wheel
Differential bore for improved pad wear
SS pistons

Plus2 kit-
3.0sq" piston area
12.19" dia
3.0lb caliper
9-10.5lb rotor (options)
Directional castings
6.3sq" pads
.620 thick pads
Larger body for slightly stiffer design
Thicker pads for track use
Dust boot or ss piston choice

With those specs in mind you can attain an additional 3.5% brake torque for the same given pedal pressure. That from the use of the larger rotor. You also have thicker (yet near identical cubic inches) for better heat rejection for track use. The rotors are two piece and directional thus improving airflow and efficiency while keeping heat out of the hub area better and being overall much lighter not having iron centers.

On the flip side, the DP6 has arguably better looks, more even pad pressure points, a lower profile for wheel fit, can be installed on current rotors, costs less, can be later upsized to the 13" rotors.

As for pad fit, the DP on a 12.2 rotor with the hats would net you about .425" from the top of the pad (or nose of the caliper) to the hat. Can't tell you the spec of the DP6/11.55 part above- I don't have the hat diameter.

 

How much weight was lost at each corner with your set up and how much was the kit.

Staying with same OEM rotors ? So what is the purpose of buying a 6 piston set up absent a larger braking surface area.

Can you clarify this ?

 

That's exactly what I was looking for

With the 12.2 rotor, that can be ordered in Zinc plating, Silver, or Black right, so there would never be a rust belt ?

Also I thought the DP6 & the Plus 2 DP kits both used the BP-10 pads ? I assumed they'd both be the same size & thickness ?

I'm also assuming that the "Differential bore" of the DP6 Calipers means different sized pistons for quieter engagement/less squeal.

I'm curious about the piston choices, which offers better long term reliability when used on a daily driver in a wet climate, the stainless steel or the dust booted ?

If the DP6 really is the better of the two calipers, I suppose I could just paint the oem rotor hats & the unswept surface, but the extra 8lbs savings with the 12.2 rotors is pretty cool.

 

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