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Suspension Koni Yellow Sports

Old Dec 6, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Koni Yellow Sports

For those of you running Koni Yellow Sport Struts and aftermarket springs..where do you have the dampening set? I just purchased a set of TSW springs (rare find) and going to be ordering the Koni Yellows and figure out a camber plate solution (H-Sport, Ireland, Helix, etc)

Scott at TSW suggested:
"If you end up with the Koni Yellows, I'd set the fronts and rears in the middle of the adjustment range - for autocross or track (or fun in the twisties), dial the fronts up until you're 3/4 up the adjustment range towards full firm. If you notice a bit of push when you do that (understeer), dial them back 1/8 of a turn at a time."

On Camber/Toe Suggested:
"For your descripted use (High performance daily driving and occassional track day), I would suggest -2 degrees of camber up front, -1.5 degrees of camber in the rear, 0 toe in the front (or 'neutral' toe), and slight toe in for the rear (1/16" total toe IN)."

What do you guys think?
 
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Old Dec 6, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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I had H-Sport springs with my Koni Yellows. The H-Sports have a stiffer rear spring than the TSW's. I had mine at about half stiff in front and 3/4 stiff in back and that gave excellent transient without being twitchy. For the TSW's, I'd guess half stiff front and back would be good starting points. Good luck!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
I had H-Sport springs with my Koni Yellows. The H-Sports have a stiffer rear spring than the TSW's. I had mine at about half stiff in front and 3/4 stiff in back and that gave excellent transient without being twitchy. For the TSW's, I'd guess half stiff front and back would be good starting points. Good luck!
Appreciate it!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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The camber/toe suggestions sound good, similar to what I am (was) running. As far as the yellows, I have set my rears to about 1/2 turn from harsh, and adjusted the fronts to taste. This meant about 1/2 (maybe less) from full soft up front after some testing at an autocross.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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I have H-sports and Koni yellows too. Isn't 1/2 turn from stiff on the rear reallly harsh on the street?
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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I have H-Sport springs and Koni Yellows. Since the rears aren't that easy to adjust on the fly, I have them set at medium. I adjust the fronts depending on the road surface.

Most of the time, i have the fronts on full soft. When i drive spirited I set them to a little more than medium, so that they arent much stiffer than the rear (it would cause understeer).
 
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Old Dec 7, 2007 | 08:34 PM
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I had the Koni Sport Kit. Yellows with custom Eibach springs. I'd pass....wasn't impressed at all
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PGT
I had the Koni Sport Kit. Yellows with custom Eibach springs. I'd pass....wasn't impressed at all
My Koni Yellow with H-Sport springs was excellent on the track and with glass-smooth roads. It was knock-your-fillings-out-harsh on normal Michigan roads. Going to coil-overs is definitely a smoother-riding proposition.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
My Koni Yellow with H-Sport springs was excellent on the track and with glass-smooth roads. It was knock-your-fillings-out-harsh on normal Michigan roads. Going to coil-overs is definitely a smoother-riding proposition.
What dampening settings where you running on the Yellows? Also when you say coilovers are smoother is that just because they have more adjustability in compression then the Yellows? Seems that either are equally hard/easy to adjust, in particular the rears.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Uhhhh, see post #2, I already wrote my settings for the Konis.

What I mean by coilovers being more comfortable is they can be setup to have more compression travel. The Koni's bottom out all the time on the street. I'm speaking beyond just the damping adjustments, which are indeed a pain to adjust....unless you make ***** in the cabin!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
My Koni Yellow with H-Sport springs was excellent on the track and with glass-smooth roads. It was knock-your-fillings-out-harsh on normal Michigan roads. Going to coil-overs is definitely a smoother-riding proposition.
I'll second this
 
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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryephile
Uhhhh, see post #2, I already wrote my settings for the Konis.

What I mean by coilovers being more comfortable is they can be setup to have more compression travel. The Koni's bottom out all the time on the street. I'm speaking beyond just the damping adjustments, which are indeed a pain to adjust....unless you make ***** in the cabin!
My bad...too many posts I am "chasing"

Assume you trimmed the bump stops? But I understand regardless you can have more travel w/ coilovers. (Perhaps a lobby for better roads is due there in MI...heh)

I do plan on making the rear adjustable from "inside" the cabin if possible (??) via drilling a hole through the sheet metal.
 

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Old Dec 8, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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I have h-sports and yellows and I just turned the rear 1/2 from stiff. I had it 1 turn from soft last time. I was suprised that the car road better. The car was smoother, but still really stiff. It handles better with very little bodyroll. I guess the car rides better because the shock stiffness matches the h-sports better?
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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1/2 from hard is probably still too much but it's been cold recently and I don't feel like dorking around with the car. Plus everything else is adding more NVH than the rears being overdampened. Coilovers are easier to live with I'm sure, but for the price I'm happy with the yellows + random lowering spring combo. Not to mention they're durable with lifetime warranty.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RedSkunk
1/2 from hard is probably still too much but it's been cold recently and I don't feel like dorking around with the car. Plus everything else is adding more NVH than the rears being overdampened. Coilovers are easier to live with I'm sure, but for the price I'm happy with the yellows + random lowering spring combo. Not to mention they're durable with lifetime warranty.
Just curious how many turns is it from full soft to full stiff on the yellows?
 
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 06:40 AM
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Does 1/2 from soft front and rear sound good for the yellows with h-sport springs? Also should I put my HandR 18mm rear sway on soft. I have 205/50/15 tires on 15x6.5 (12lbs) wheels. Should I decrease the tire pressure to like 33 cold all the way around? I am asking these questions because I want to know if softing up the suspension and tires is better for the steet than stiffing them up.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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Can't remember cpayne. 3 full rotations?
 
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