Geez . . . Speaking for myself but I don't think that anyone's point is to dis-credit the existence of the poll. No one is trying to deny that you and many others have experienced problems.

100% in your's and minimc's books does not assist those owners like myself who are concerned about the issue but have not experienced damage.

 

Do I misunderstand you? Are you just not "getting it"? Might you be playing devil’s advocate, just for the hell of debating?


Ouch!
Chill out, dude. No one's challenged you or your problem.


My "problem" has zero to do with a 'member' who comes onto a thread to detract from the purpose of the thread, by using fallacious arguments to "debunk" a poll no one asked him to "debunk". Thou dost provide too much free advice, and uses flawed arguments to support it... legalr that is.

There are many unanswered questions. You will note that I have not attempted to put a lid on any of them. The same cannot be said for others.

This site is about sharing enthusiast experiences, both good and bad.




. . . . OooooKaayyyy

 

Bravo! Precisely

BMW poll this site - no question whatsoever. They keep track of these problems at service visits. They are very aware of the problem, they have chosen to take a less-than proactive stance (very similar to the windsheild failures.) Can I understand the stance: yes. Do I empathise: no.

 

Ouch?

Hey there, this isn't a personal attack on me or you. If you sympathize with legalr, that's fine... but s/he's using arguing tactics which I find sleazy, and I can't give him/her credit for being so intelligent as to compose an argument, but not to recognize the use of fallacy to support it.

You suggested that I was frustrated and that I was misdirecting this assumed frustration. I clarified my position. Hopefully that's OK

 

There's no sympathy on the table here. The poll is incomplete. Nuff' said. There are too many factors not addressed. Why are you so threatened by this?

 

Dear CutnThrust,

You've voiced ASSumption after assumption. Evidently no matter what I say, I am either defensive or am frustrated. You must surely be cosmically aware to discern such via the internet. Kudos.

This isn't our personal thread. I've followed you down the path, but no more. I'm done with trying to explain to you who chooses not to see.

To those others posting to, or reading this thread: My concern is plain. I mistrust anyone who attacks members who are reporting on polls regarding their MINI's. I am concerned that such attacks are intended to stifle participation. I see someone creating a straw man (poll = scientific research) only to tear the straw man down, pointing out that the poll is flawed.

That friends is fallacy. It is illogical and is a disingenuous method by which to argue... It is not forthright, and the motives of anyone employing such are questionable.

Judge for yourselves.

 

Why does this thread keep getting bumped to the top of the "new posts" list when the most-recent post is from February 5th?

The "new posts" results says that there was a post from minimc at 10:21pm GMT today, but it's not showing up when I view the thread.

Did the same thing yesterday...

 

Dunno why it says 10:21pm today... that's odd.

As STICKY it will always reside at the top of the page.

The issue is considered to be of community wide interest/concern. Irrespective of when the last time somone posted, this type of thing belongs at the top.

 

True, but "stickies" don't automatically get bumped to the top of the "new posts" list - threads only show up there when there's been new content added.

Both yesterday and today, this thread has shown up on the "new posts" list, with a "last post" time and date indicating that you had just added a new post, but both times when I clicked the "go to last post" button, it took me to your post from the 5th.

Must be a glitch in the board software.

 

Just a quick questions, I have the helix camber plates on... with 400lbs of springs up front. Will this "mushrooming" likely to occur on me?

 

Just a Question Does Mushrooming of your towers affect the Handeling of the car???

 

For the most part, probably not. Extreme cases of mushrooming (that affect the camber/toe) might.

 

Nothing we don't know already, but an interesting explanation in layman's terms...

http://www.bitchkittyracing.com/arti...i-and-bmw-usa/

 

wait, so BMW has actually published a bulliten about mushrooming?

also, has there been any fixes found for the problem which wouldn't weaken the mounts even more, as stated in the article?

 

I'm going to ask the folks at BKR if they can provide a copy of this bulletin to me

 

I don't think the article is accurate. I read it a while ago and asked MINIUSA for a copy of the TSB the article alludes to. I was told by MINIUSA and my dealership service people that no such technical service bulletin exists. Upon reflection I thought it strange that the article made no mention of any TSB number. If you took the time to write the article and such a document exixted why not divulge the identifying number of the document? You may feel differently but I concluded the article was bogus.

 

so how easy is it to install the M7 plates on the strut towers?? do u just unscrew the bolts and place the plate in and screww the bolts on again? or do u have to take the strut out ???? what should it be torqued to ?

 

Very.

Yes.

No.

Zip

 

thanks Mr Zipper ill have to order some tomorrow and try to prevent mushrooming on my Mini luckily i dont have it yet

 

Yeah, I was being kinda flip with my short answers there, but it really is easy. Just torque the bolts down to stock specs and you're good to go. Of course, I'd check 'em once after about a hunnerd miles just for piece of mind.

Zip

 

I found mine mushroomed out all so. With the M7's, if you tightened them down will it straightened the metal back out or do you still have to do the hammer method. All so, what is the E mail address for Ireland engineering for the fix camber plates?

Between this, leaking motor mounts, and bad fly wheels, whats next?

 

The e-mail address for Ireland Engineering is jireland@earthlink.net, and their website is www.bmw2002.com

I have the M7 plates on both of our MINIs, and they're great. But, they're not designed to actually *fix* a strut tower that's already mushroomed. In fact, unless the mushrooming is very minor, you may not even be able to get the plate to fit over the bolts. On the passenger side tower on my wife's car, I had to flatten out the bulging before I could even test-fit the plate, and her mushrooming was fairly minor.

Use the "hammer and block of wood" method that M7 suggests - it's easy and took me less than five minutes.

 

My experience, also.

Zip

 

Thanks a bunch for youe honesty and the Links ! So the camber plates cost $180 a pair!? I thought someone said $300........

 

The fixed camber plates are $180/pair - the adjustable camber plates are $275/pair.