[U][B]IL FALLAIT ENCORE PROUVER QUE QUELQUE CHOSE NE VA PAS ...QUE QUELQUE CHOSE D'IMMORAL NE VA PAS MAIS ALORS PAS DU TOUT???

IL EST IDNAMISSIBLE DE VENDRE DES AUTOS AU MOTEUR ESSENCE THP ( Mini BMW et PEUGEOT-CITROËN) [b] EXTRÊMEMENT DANGEREUX: Comment réagiriez vous après avoir eu un moteur qui vous lâche à cause d'une distribution défectueuse (Pourtant, des bruits suspects venaient de ce moteur..mais pour les garagistes des marques PSA surtout: C'ETAIT NORMAL, c'est le bruit naturel d'un cliquetis de chaîne..euh! même à froid?!! ) et surtout au niveau d'une chaîne censée tenir tout le long de la vie d'une auto au tempérament dynamique et à l'agrément sollicitée!!


http://www.ds3spirit.com/viewtopic.p...404d&start=580

http://www.feline207.net/forum/viewt...687&start=5790


Il va falloir arrêter de croire que cela est normal et maintenant!: il est temps de vous faire entendre dans tous les ateliers des trois marques.Passez à la vitesse supérieure et faites vous respecter-->ils en ont manqué avec vous , renvoyez leurs la pareille!!!


C'EST UN VICE CACHE , SERIEUX ET ABSOLUMENT NON ISOLE COMME ILS ESSAYENT DE VOUS LE VENDRE!!...LA PRISE EN CHARGE DOIT ÊTRE TOTALE (ET PAS "ENVISAGEABLE"..c'est une hérésie de savoir qu'il faudrait encore payer en aval cette énorme bévue de conception originelle) CAR CE DERNIER EXISTE DEPUIS LES PREMIERES ANNEES DE SA CONCEPTION (il le savaient et des documents de l'époque le prouve déjà..comme les rappels en interne qui sortent au grand jour...les notes internes ne le restent plus si longtemps quand on tente de tromper ses anciens clients et surtout les nouveaux propriétaires. Heureusement qu'ils existent encore des salariés valeureux des marques qui , eux, montrent un vrai scrupule à faire connaître la vérité et les réalités économiques qui en découlent)

 

Model: 2007 S
Build Date: 11/2007
Miles: 52,000
Duration: 10seconds - 1min
Frequency: at each start up and at idles
RPM range:
Ambient Temp: mid 40F to 60F
Oil:full, castrol

Any other relevant information:
noticed an oil leak and had mini look into it, they took off the valve cover and said everything was fine. but there was still a little oil leakage around the engine top where the valves come out.

progressively worsened from a few mornings to every morning to every morning + at idles over the course of 4 months. was at its absolute worse when mornings were around 38F

 

^ Ugh. I saw some oil near where I parked my MINI the other night. I sure hope I don't also have a leak.

Did anyone else see that JD Power said MINI owners report the most problems of all car models? I'm getting nervous, my fellow MINIons. I have a 2009 S and I still get a CEL every few days: on for 20 sec with a slight power loss (I drive in sport mode), then it goes off and all is well. The dealer can't find the issue; it's too intermittent. *sigh*

 

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...1303 &theater

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_engine

Prince is the codename for a family of modern automobile straight-4 engines developed jointly by BMW (Mini Cooper S , Mini John Cooper Works, Mini ClubMan) and PSA Peugeot Citroën ( 207 THP, 207 RC, 308 THP, 308 GTi, 3008 THP, 5008 THP, 508 THP, RCZ, DS3 THP, DS3 Racing, C4 THP et C4 PICASSO THP, DS4 THP, C5 THP ). It is a compact engine family of 1.4–1.6 L in displacement and includes most modern features including gasoline direct injection and variable valve timing.
For BMW, the engines replace the Tritec engine family in the Mini. PSA has started to use the Prince family in place of their TU family — the Peugeot 207 being the first car to receive it.
The engines’ components will be produced by PSA at their Douvrin, France, facility, with Mini engine construction at Hams Hall in Birmingham, England. The joint venture was announced on 23 July 2002 with the first engines produced in 2005. The Prince engine project is not related to the Prince Motor Company.
In late 2006, an extension of the cooperation between the two groups was announced,[1] promising new four cylinder engines, without further details.
On 29 September 2010, it was announced[2][3] that the 1.6T version of the Prince engine would be supplied from 2012 to Saab for use in forthcoming models, primarily the 9-3.
In Geneva auto show 2011 , Saab unveiled their latest concept vehicle Saab PhoeniX with BMW Prince Engine 1.6T 200hp

 

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Express you here !

 

2008 Cooper S w/ 6-Speed Manual
Build Date: December 2007
Miles: 36500
Duration: About 1 minute
Frequency: every start since owned (2 weeks)
RPM range: idle and even when raising rpm's
Ambient Temp: 40-70+ (temp doesn't seem to matter)
Oil: MINI Synthetic 5-30

Any other relevant information:
Every start means each time AFTER car sits for several hours (6+(?)).

 

On a related note, please read below and let me know if I should have any other concerns based on the situation.

Model: S
Build Date: 07/25/09
Miles: 22978
Duration: 2 Minutes
Frequency: (times per month/week) 3 days out of 5 in morning, 2 days in afternoon.
RPM range: Didn't take it over 2k
Ambient Temp: Sub-50
Oil: MINI

Any other relevant information:

WOW! If anybody needs encouragement to take it in the first time they hear the "rocks in the engine" sound, read below.I never noticed any noise until last tuesday morning. Then heard the 'death rattle', lasted for a couple minutes, went away. I talked to the dealership, who said to bring it in Friday. No issues, got car back today.

Service Description of problem:

" Rattle coming from chain. Slack @ 70 mm over followed. cracked chain guide rails. T/S tried chain tensioner first. Rattle was still present. Removed valve cover and found guide rails chattered and cracked. Replace chain, guide rails, tensioner, and R&I oil pan to remove pieces of guide rail from oil pump filter. Reprogrammed complete vehicle.

Parts List:
Gasket, Oil Pan
PKtiming
Sprocket
timing chain
chain tensioner
slide rail
guide rail
chain tensioner
oil
set of profile gask
antifreeze
hex bolt
gasket ring
bearing bolt
bearing bolt
gasket ring
torx bolt
torx bolt

Wow

 

Erbair, I really don't forsee you having any other issues. The problem had to do with a chain tensioner bolt that occasionally backs out. Then causing the chain to stretch. That rattling noise was caused by the chain slapping against the upper chain guide. They probably installed a new washer, bolt along with the chain repair to stop it from stretching again. However, don't be surprised if the oil is low in your mini or it's real cold, that you hear the noise again. It is a oil fed tensioner, and if pressure doesn't build fast enough during start up, it could do the death rattle for a sec. or rocks in the can rattle sound, which ever you want to call it. It doesn't neccessarily mean you have a stretched chaing again though. Atleast that is my thoughts.

 

everyone please take al look the this link

 

Model: 2009 S
Build Date: 9/2008
Miles: 49,500
Duration: 10seconds - 1min
Frequency: at each start up when engine is cold
RPM range:
Ambient Temp: 50-90F
Oil:Mobil 1

Any other relevant information:
Had an oil leak from the turbo which was fixed (may not be related). Still had a rattle, almost out of warranty so I took it in. They looked at the bulletin, measured the chain and it was out of spec so replaced it and associated parts. Car has been quiet since.

 

Picked up my car today after taking it in for hood scoop and 'death rattle' issues. Dealer fixed both under warranty as usual but I thought it might be helpful for everyone if I listed what they replaced on my invoice in relation to the 'rattle'...here goes:

"Diagnosis found insufficient timing chain tension causing engine rattle noise concern....Performed SIM110207; Performed Steps 1-13 and timing chain measured results @ 69mm. Removed and replaced timing chain, chain guides, chain tensioner, slide rail, chain sprocket and fasteners. Performed vehicle programing update. Verified repairs and results OK."

If anyone wants a list of the part numbers replaced, I have those...just let me know. BTW...I love my dealer (Niello Mini in Sacramento, CA)...excellent communication and excellent service!

 

minijonny, please list the part numbers for us to see if there is anything new they're doing. Thanks much.

 

What follows is EXACTLY as listed on my invoice -
Part Numbers replaced:
11-31-7-597-895 Chain Tensioner 113050
11-31-7-534-251 Gasket Ring 118526
11-31-7-516-088 Timing Chain 113030
11-31-7-568-241 Guide Rail 113056
11-31-7-534-833 Chain Tensioner 113055
11-31-7-534-771 Bearing Bolt 113099
11-31-7-534-769 Bearing Bolt 113099
11-31-7-550-461 Gasket Ring 118526
11-31-7-546-697 SLide Rail 113057
11-21-7-588-996 Sprocket 11209921
11-21-7-585-184 Hex Bolt 11209510
11-36-7-536-087 Torx Bolt 113095
11-36-7-545-863 Torx Bolt 113095
11-12-7-572-851 Set of Profile Gaskets 118513

 

My car was repaired in Dec '09 and the only differences I can see in parts used were different 'gasket rings' - 118523 and I also had a 'shaft seal' listed with the same part # - 118523. All else still the same - tensioner and chain included.

 

Minijonny, Just realized the numbers you listed are not the part numbers. The part numbers are the numbers listed first on your invoice. For example the tensioner number on mine is 11-31-7-597-895. Please relist your part numbers so we can see the latest numbers used. Thanks

 

Blackmagic, the tensioner used on my MCCSa was the same number as yours. The work was done in 3/19/2010 and my Clubman had 21233 miles when they did it. They only replaced the tensioner. I currently have 39500 miles on the car. Just waiting for the noise to return. It has been 18k miles, since they serviced it. Lets see what happens.

 

See my above post for new part numbers...

 

MiniJonny,
Thanks for updating your parts numbers. The only significant difference I see from mine done in 12/09 and yours done in 05/11 is a different timing chain. My number was 11-31-7-534-784. So it appears they are still using the same tensioners. I wonder what's different with the chains? Anyone know?

 

2008 Cooper S, 6-Speed Manual
Build Date: June 9th 2008
Miles: 22000km
Duration: 5 minutes
Frequency: 3
RPM range: 1300-2000
Ambient Temp: 25C
Oil: MINI-Branded 0w-40 (Last oil change @ 18000km)

 

Model: 08 MCS, 6 Speed Manual
Build Date: 08
Miles: 34000
Duration: At first approx 5-10 min, then progressed to constantly
Frequency: At first a few times a month, then became almost everyday
RPM range: All RPM Ranges
Ambient Temp: Worst when about 50 under, however doesn't seem to matter
Oil: Mini 5w30

Any other relevant information:
Car was brought in 3 separate times for this issue. 1st was told it was normal. Then was told it needed an oil change. Now the car is at the dealer because it has reached an all time worst. They Emailed me today stating they replaced the timing chain. Havn't had a chance to contact them directly to get more specifics. Won't be able to pick it up untill next week I hope it's the new timing chain...

 

Model: 07 MCS, 6 Speed Manual
Build Date: 07 (April or May) Custom Ordered
Miles: 37000
Duration: 30 sec to 3 min
Frequency: Most mornings when engine is cold (50F)
RPM range: All RPM Ranges
Ambient Temp: Worst when about 50 under, however doesn't seem to matter
Oil: Mini 5w30

Any other relevant information:
Oil dirt black after 4k and down a quart

 

Model:r56
Build Date: early early 2007 or late 2006
Miles: 27k
Duration: constant, all the time
Frequency: (times per month/week) all the time
RPM range: all ranges
Ambient Temp: it's 110 here in dallas today and still does it
Oil: synthetic 5w-40

Any other relevant information: sounds clips of mine below. Had the new chain tensioner that ends with 551 installed and it still doesn't fix it. Now Moritz mini is saying that the sound in the two video clips below is normal. ha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59CQy6KzjR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTnWkTP9a0

 

Does this sound like cold start rattle? Does anyone else hear early stage knocking of a potential problem... or am I just being paranoid?

 

Add me to the list.

Model: 2011 JCW
Build Date: 5/2011
Miles: 1824
Duration: 5-8 mins
Frequency: First time today.
RPM range: 2000-3500
Ambient Temp: 58 Degrees
Oil: Castrol Synthetic 5w-30(Still from the Dealership)

I was wondering what it was like to have no power, with all of the other posts, now I know. I noticed it was jerking to the stop sign and thought it was because I let the clutch out too soon, but as soon as I turned the corner and gassed it, that there wasn't any power. So I thought pushing the "Sport" Button would solve it. Nope. all it did was spool up the turbo and released it to the atmosphere. There was a lot of "Popping" and "Gurgling". After getting coffee i checked underneath the hood. Dipstick didn't pop out. No oil on the engine bay. Oil level was good, wasn't dirty. Started her up and she was fine. Sport engaged and was zooming through the parking lot.

So I guess warm up the car then to rectify?

Does anybody know if BMW's engines are this fickle?

 

This problem is still not solved? I first saw this phenomenon a few years ago. Have been somewhat dormant on the forums and I see this is still going on? I would have thought BMW would have solved this by now.

What gives?