Now, here's a little twist to this issue. I've heard that the fix will be here in December, right? And even if a fix comes sooner, it will likely be late fall, right?

Hmm, December, isn't that in the winter when we go back to the winter formulation for the gas? Isn't it also generally kinda cool/cold in December? And wasn't the problem blamed on the summer formulation of the gas and the heat? I can see a "NO PROBLEM FOUND" statement on my repair ticket already.

Call it a conspiracy theory, if you like, but how will we know if the stumble exists, if the conditions we have been told create it are no longer present and won't be present until the next spring?

BTW, the business about the summer formulations of the gas and hot weather are straight from MINI. I called them on the phone back in the spring of this year (2003). I was told the software was updated to fix the cold start and worked great, but when temps rose and the gas formula changed, it produced the stumble.

So, I ask again, if the fix isn't until cooler weather and different gas formulation, how will we know our cars have been fixed?

See ya,
JS

 

:evil: :evil:

I can't decide whether to laugh or scream...but that's a great theory. "See? We told you we'd take care of the problem in December!" Only problem is: what about those poor Arizonans and Californians?

 

don't forget Fla.

 

you'll know because the folks with stumble in Hawaii will report on MCO that the problem is fixed- december is usually high of 80 and low of about 70 with passing showers. Rarely it gets to about 65 but that is more in Feb. We don't change gas for seasons. We just put up Xmas decorations on the pumps.

And for those in colder climates once the frost is gone in the spring you fixed cars should stay fixed or else.

 

Either I'm lucky or I just don't know what the heck you guys are talking about... but I've never had a stumble in our (June'02) MINI Cooper S. It took me a little while to get used to driving with the electronic throttle, but once I adapted to that I haven't had a single problem.

 

>>Either I'm lucky or I just don't know what the heck you guys are talking about... but I've never had a stumble in our (June'02) MINI Cooper S. It took me a little while to get used to driving with the electronic throttle, but once I adapted to that I haven't had a single problem.


i am with you latka..though i know the stumbling in other minis, i have been a pasenger in one, no probs wtih mine :smile:

 

My MCS developed a stumble issue in my June'02 build car sometime in July of this year after recieving updated software for a cold start problem. I just picked up my car yesterday after spending 1.5 weeks at the dealer, the stumble/hickup is gone. Of course my car's DME spent about a week at BMW headquarters for reprogramming. I couldn't tell you what software version is in there or if it is what to be expected in December. However I can say that the problem is definately gone (for now at least). Of course my car didn't start up on the first try this morning :evil: :evil:

 

Umm. That's REALLY good news. You need to post this info in the main Stumble forum, because NO ONE has yet had it solved from what I understand. Also, please fill us in more on what happened as far as what your dealer did and where your DME was sent, etc. Also ALSO, please let us know if the stumble comes back over time as others have reported after reprogramming. Thanks!!!

 

>>Umm. That's REALLY good news. You need to post this info in the main Stumble forum, because NO ONE has yet had it solved from what I understand. Also, please fill us in more on what happened as far as what your dealer did and where your DME was sent, etc. Also ALSO, please let us know if the stumble comes back over time as others have reported after reprogramming. Thanks!!!

Point me in the direction of the Main Stumble forum and I'll repost their.

 

Here's the Stumble thread. There should be a whole forum!

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...&start=500

 

Chitown_COOP,

You've hit on a great idea. Start another forum for Manufacturer Problems. Coolant leaks, Stumble, windshield etc. Those who are too thin skinned to hear complaints about the MINI can avoid it and those who want to hear the bad with the good can visit. If a single problem scares a potential buyer away, them we saved them the agravation, heartbreak and cash. Those who REALLY want a MINI will accept that there will be problems, after all they are made, designed etc by humans. It's how the humans who are responsible for fixing the problems handle them that is most important.

I may be anxious about the Stumble Lottery I've bought a ticket to by ordering my MCS, but contrary to some assumptions on this site, I'm not losing sleep, nor am I ****. Just adamant that I get what I pay for including an company that stands behind their product.

 

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>> Just adamant that I get what I pay for including an company that stands behind their product.
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You are looking in the wrong place in a BMW product.

Speaking from my experience they DO dodge duck and weave around anything and everything they can to avoid having to resolve any of these troubling issues. I have heard about an M3 engine (endemic blow up) issue that took a class action suit to bring BMW in line. With all of the disinformation and lack of information coming from all ranks at BMW on the MINI software problems (this has been going on for the best part of a year now) this is looking more and more like a law suit is needed.

Now if you are looking for a manufacturer who has a regimen of customer satisfaction survey calls (they don't call me any more ) then you are looking in the right place - but that won't make your car go or stop you from getting boned by an 18 wheeler next time your MINI stumbles.

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'03 S DS

 

Well, now I am a bit nervous. I have an 02 MCS that is at the dealer getting the JCW upgrade. It would have been ready to pick up last Friday, but the dealer said after they finsihed everything and went to test drive it, the ECU cut off the engine so they needed to send the chip back to BMW in New Jersey for a replacement. The car will be ready to pick up this Wednesday. I never had the stumble problem but I am sure curious if it will be there when I get the car back this week.

 

>>You are looking in the wrong place in a BMW product.
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>>Speaking from my experience they DO dodge duck and weave around anything and everything they can to avoid having to resolve any of these troubling issues. I have heard about an M3 engine (endemic blow up) issue that took a class action suit to bring BMW in line. With all of the disinformation and lack of information coming from all ranks at BMW on the MINI software problems (this has been going on for the best part of a year now) this is looking more and more like a law suit is needed.
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>>Now if you are looking for a manufacturer who has a regimen of customer satisfaction survey calls (they don't call me any more ) then you are looking in the right place - but that won't make your car go or stop you from getting boned by an 18 wheeler next time your MINI stumbles.
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>>'03 S DS

I have to agree with Tokio here.....
My current car is a 1994 325i. The whole cooling system on that car is poorly designed and unreliable. You can verify this with Consumer Reports if you want; the cooling system on 1994 3 series got a filled black circle. I have had to change out my whole cooling system over time because the parts simply fell apart. Thermostat and housing, water pump, heater core, radiator, plus the head gasket, all had to be changed. The ONLY part that is stock at this point is the expansion tank. (What an irony....)

BMW definitely knows they have a problem with their cooling system; they changed the water pump impeller from plastic to metal in 1996. Instead of upgrading the parts in existing cars, what did they do? They gave us a new expansion tank cap with a lower pressure relief setting. If there is a problem with the cooling system, pressure goes up, and they gave us a cap that relieves pressure at a lower point. Instead of really fixing the problem, they went with the cheapest possible fix. A cap couldn't have cost more than a few dollars, so that's what they did. They did the minimal required to get your cooling system to last the lifetime of the warranty, and that's it. You can quickly figure out how much it cost me over time on the poorly designed cooling system alone.

Sometimes I really wonder why I am buying another BMW product.......

 

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>>Sometimes I really wonder why I am buying another BMW product.......
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because no other manufacturer makes the m3 and m5