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Mechanical LSD

After reading into a little more about Minis, it seems that between 07-09 Mini Coopers were available with a mechanical LSD - by SCCA rules, doesn't that mean we can backdate install whatever the factory mechanical diff was into HS coopers that don't have it?
 
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I thought it was only the Ses that came with LSDs.
 
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Update/backdate is in Street Prepared 15.1.C - no such language is included in Stock (Section 13).

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Originally Posted by cenotaph
I thought it was only the Ses that came with LSDs.
Gotcha.. wasn't sure about that part

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Update/backdate is in Street Prepared 15.1.C - no such language is included in Stock (Section 13).

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I forget what the exact language was, I thought you could match whatever trim was available from factory - i.e., you can run sport suspension, jcw suspension, wahtever etc. Anyway the idea is moot if the mechanical LSD was only available on the MCS.. damn Mini all they had to do was offer it.. I was going over it in a different thread, I think the transmission is the same, which is where the LSD is housed, correct?
 
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Originally Posted by kyoo

think the transmission is the same, which is where the LSD is housed, correct?
Yes..
 
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Yes..
So I guess all the more unfortunate that the justas were not offered with the mechanical LSD from the factory?
 
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With sticky tires the base Cooper doesn't need a mechanical LSD.

National Solo Champions:

H Stock (HS)
2012 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2011 James Feinberg Cary, NC MINI Cooper
2010 Jimmy Crawford New Berlin, WI MINI Cooper
2009 Jimmy Crawford Milwaukee, WI MINI Cooper
2008 Ron Williams Topeka, KS MINI Cooper
2007 Jack Burns Hamilton, OH Mazda 3
2006 Karter Bollmann Houston, TX MINI Cooper
2005 Karter Bollmann Friendswood, TX MINI Cooper
2004 Keith Brown Des Moines, WA MINI Cooper
2003 Mark Chiles Rocky Mount, NC MINI Cooper

Prosolo champions:

H Stock (HS)
2012 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2011 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2010 Jeff Jacobs Philadelphia, PA MINI Cooper
2009 Ron Williams Topeka, KS MINI Cooper
2008 Tim Whalen Williamsville, NY Mazda SP23
2007 Matt Murray Westport, CT BMW 318i
2006 Marshall Cone Sterling, VA MINI Cooper
2005 Alan Dahl Federal Way, WA Audi 90 Quattro
2004 Michael Potocki Kenmore, NY MINI Cooper
2003 Mark Chiles Rocky Mount, NC MINI Cooper
2002 Brian Garfield Eldersburg, MD MINI Cooper

I believe Mark Allen won RTF last year with his base Cooper as well.
 
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"I forget what the exact language was, I thought you could match whatever trim was available from factory - i.e., you can run sport suspension, jcw suspension, wahtever etc."

Just so you understand: You can in Stock classes, but only if it was offered on cars of your specific model and year. "Backdate" means any year for models listed on the same line in a Street Prepared class.
 
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right.. ie., if a mechanical lsd had been offered in 2009, then u would be able to for your 09. seems that it was not offered for base coopers though, just mcs
 
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Correct. It was S only (no base, no JCW) and was discontinued in March 2010.
 
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Originally Posted by hsautocrosser
With sticky tires the base Cooper doesn't need a mechanical LSD.

National Solo Champions:

H Stock (HS)
2012 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2011 James Feinberg Cary, NC MINI Cooper
2010 Jimmy Crawford New Berlin, WI MINI Cooper
2009 Jimmy Crawford Milwaukee, WI MINI Cooper
2008 Ron Williams Topeka, KS MINI Cooper
2007 Jack Burns Hamilton, OH Mazda 3
2006 Karter Bollmann Houston, TX MINI Cooper
2005 Karter Bollmann Friendswood, TX MINI Cooper
2004 Keith Brown Des Moines, WA MINI Cooper
2003 Mark Chiles Rocky Mount, NC MINI Cooper

Prosolo champions:

H Stock (HS)
2012 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2011 Greg Reno Lawrence, KS MINI Cooper
2010 Jeff Jacobs Philadelphia, PA MINI Cooper
2009 Ron Williams Topeka, KS MINI Cooper
2008 Tim Whalen Williamsville, NY Mazda SP23
2007 Matt Murray Westport, CT BMW 318i
2006 Marshall Cone Sterling, VA MINI Cooper
2005 Alan Dahl Federal Way, WA Audi 90 Quattro
2004 Michael Potocki Kenmore, NY MINI Cooper
2003 Mark Chiles Rocky Mount, NC MINI Cooper
2002 Brian Garfield Eldersburg, MD MINI Cooper

I believe Mark Allen won RTF last year with his base Cooper as well.
LOL - what the heck happened in '07 I wonder?

Cheers,

Charlie
 
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Originally Posted by hsautocrosser
With sticky tires the base Cooper doesn't need a mechanical LSD.
They'd be untouchable in HS or GS with an LSD. I think it would make a big difference. I know I still fight wheelspin at corner exits, especially with the JCW up front.
 
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Originally Posted by cmt52663
LOL - what the heck happened in '07 I wonder?

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Jack lives right around the corner from me. He's a hell of a driver. He's sporting a '13 Mini in RTF this year.
 
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Originally Posted by trippinbillies40
Jack lives right around the corner from me. He's a hell of a driver. He's sporting a '13 Mini in RTF this year.
And I've the pleasure of seeing Matt Murray on a regular basis up at NER - I do NOT think he's running that 318 in HS this year, but if he does I'll have one hell of a benchmark.
 
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:01 AM
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not legal...never was
 
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Originally Posted by cmt52663
And I've the pleasure of seeing Matt Murray on a regular basis up at NER - I do NOT think he's running that 318 in HS this year, but if he does I'll have one hell of a benchmark.
Sandy claimed Murray's 318i. The magical unicorn HS car (RWD w/ LSD) is gone forever. Matt runs his 1Series M Coupe now... Not a bad consolation one would say.
 
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Originally Posted by archdukeferdinand
They'd be untouchable in HS or GS with an LSD. I think it would make a big difference. I know I still fight wheelspin at corner exits, especially with the JCW up front.
JCW springs or front bar?
 
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Originally Posted by honda93
Sandy claimed Murray's 318i. The magical unicorn HS car (RWD w/ LSD) is gone forever.
 
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Originally Posted by honda93
JCW springs or front bar?
Both.

Sandy got Murray's car!?
 
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