BMWCCA Autocross Classification Questions
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With such issue as mods related to the supercharger, no stock camber adjustment, and odd stock tire sizes, the MINI (and the cooper S specifically) presents some questions in my mind about how to class the car for BMWCCA.
I'd appreciate your comments on these.
BTW, I'm really starting to think I should register for BS with the following:
Without the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 113 ( CS )
With the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 116 ( BS )
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I'd appreciate your comments on these.
BMWCCA points assessment: Engine
Upgraded Chip or Software [3 points]
Non-Stock Air Intake (cone filter, larger carb, HFM, cold air intake) [3 points]
Carburator to Fuel Injection update [8 points]
Upgraded Cam Shaft(s) [13 points]
Forced Induction (SuperChargers, TurboChargers, etc.) [15 points]
Engine Swaps (Must be BMW Engine and Chassis) [20 points]
Upgraded Chip or Software [3 points]
Non-Stock Air Intake (cone filter, larger carb, HFM, cold air intake) [3 points]
Carburator to Fuel Injection update [8 points]
Upgraded Cam Shaft(s) [13 points]
Forced Induction (SuperChargers, TurboChargers, etc.) [15 points]
Engine Swaps (Must be BMW Engine and Chassis) [20 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Suspension and Brakes
Aftermarket or upgraded Springs (Coilovers or springs) [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Swaybars [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Shocks [3 points]
Non-Stock Camber adjustment of any type [3 points]
E36 X-Brace [2 points]
Strut Brace front OR rear [2 points]
Larger than stock Brake Rotors and/or non-stock Brake Calipers [3 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Springs (Coilovers or springs) [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Swaybars [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Shocks [3 points]
Non-Stock Camber adjustment of any type [3 points]
E36 X-Brace [2 points]
Strut Brace front OR rear [2 points]
Larger than stock Brake Rotors and/or non-stock Brake Calipers [3 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Driveline
Non-Stock Gearbox [5 points]
Non-Stock Final Drive [5 points]
Non-Stock Gearbox [5 points]
Non-Stock Final Drive [5 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Wheels and Tires
Wheel diameter larger than stock size [2 points]
Tire width between 19mm and 30mm over stock size [5 points]
Tire width 30mm or more over stock size [8 points]
Race compound tires (Treadwear rating less than 140)
Wheel diameter larger than stock size [2 points]
Tire width between 19mm and 30mm over stock size [5 points]
Tire width 30mm or more over stock size [8 points]
Race compound tires (Treadwear rating less than 140)
BMWCCA points assessment: Chassis and Bodywork
Wheel wells cutout or widebody kit [3 points]
Any lightening of body or interior (race seats, body components) [6 points]
Wheel wells cutout or widebody kit [3 points]
Any lightening of body or interior (race seats, body components) [6 points]
BTW, I'm really starting to think I should register for BS with the following:
Without the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 113 ( CS )
With the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 116 ( BS )
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They mention "stock diameter" for the tire set up. The Falken is actually about the same diameter as stock (slightly smaller).
I see no need for point assesment if I am understanding this correctly.
I see no need for point assesment if I am understanding this correctly.
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I think the diameter comment is about running 18's on a car that comes with 16's.
Or say in the case of the MINI: The cooper comes with 15s and 16s, so running 17s would be an assessment. The Cooper S comes with 16s and 17s, so using 18s would be an assessment.
That's my take on the diameter issue. The falkens I think get points for the width, not the diameter.
Or say in the case of the MINI: The cooper comes with 15s and 16s, so running 17s would be an assessment. The Cooper S comes with 16s and 17s, so using 18s would be an assessment.
That's my take on the diameter issue. The falkens I think get points for the width, not the diameter.
But the width of the falkens is only 10mm over the stock 205's right. (Cooper S)
Bmw says between 19mm-30mm over stock. (Kind of weird wording I must say.)
I am sure with time we will get sime more specific rules for the MINI.
And I am sure BS might not want us beating all their cars in that class either
Bmw says between 19mm-30mm over stock. (Kind of weird wording I must say.)
I am sure with time we will get sime more specific rules for the MINI.
And I am sure BS might not want us beating all their cars in that class either
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Well put Kelly. :smile:
I guess all I'm trying to figure out here is at what point we shouldn't be racing in the same class as possibly stock MINIs (who leaves their MINI stock?).
I guess all I'm trying to figure out here is at what point we shouldn't be racing in the same class as possibly stock MINIs (who leaves their MINI stock?).
There is no doubt there are some discrepancies.
I am sure we can touch base with the BMW crew and make it more precise for the following year.
My guess is we are a little to far into it this year to change things around.
Your thought process is dead on though. Thanks for the insight.
:smile:
I am sure we can touch base with the BMW crew and make it more precise for the following year.
My guess is we are a little to far into it this year to change things around.
Your thought process is dead on though. Thanks for the insight.
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I personally believe there should be an assessment for the pulley. It just doesn't seem right that a mod to the engine that makes more power than the intake and comparable power to the ECU gets no points assessed. Another factor is the 15% reduction on the pulley in SCCA would automatically put the MINI in SM (street mod). On the other hand, there are no points added for a non-stock exhaust and the pulley is adding similar power to the magnaflow/quiksilver (12-15 hp).
I think I'm chasing my tail a bit there.
I think I'm chasing my tail a bit there.
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From Jeff Sherrard (RMC BMWCCA rules committee)
If a car moves from one class to another, times/points do NOT move! There needs to be 4 finishes in a class to qualify for a season trophy.
Any points changes would become effective this winter season. I won't make any changes during the summer season.
jeff
If a car moves from one class to another, times/points do NOT move! There needs to be 4 finishes in a class to qualify for a season trophy.
Any points changes would become effective this winter season. I won't make any changes during the summer season.
jeff
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