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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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Thanks Ian for the full story! Make's it even more impressive that you ran the whole season, set sanctioned records and won a NASA National Championship with RMW parts and tune bolted to a pieced together motor! Your one heck of a driver Mr Stewart!!!
What the heck is a "pieced together motor"? You mean a motor that has been repaired? Big deal Any team that races is going to constantly repairing their motors
 
Old Dec 24, 2009 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
What the heck is a "pieced together motor"? You mean a motor that has been repaired? Big deal Any team that races is going to constantly repairing their motors
Yeah, In a pinch. But not something you do ideally. Most race teams (and individuals) I know purchase their race motors from people who specifically build a race motor. Race motors aren't cheap. Even in showroom stock where your not supposed to actually touch the engine guys are paying $6-7k for a "bone stock" engine. A buddy of mine just paid almost $7k for a Rossini built Mazda Protege Engine that might make 150hp. And we almost won the ARRC with a car that had virtually no other prep work to the class other then a legal motor for the class. Race motors are a pricey venture if you want to win. Drove a 70's 911 not long ago that had a $50k rebuild in it (owner essentially said if I miss a shift it's gonna cost me $50k... YIKES).
 
Old Dec 24, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JIMINNI
What the heck is a "pieced together motor"? You mean a motor that has been repaired? Big deal Any team that races is going to constantly repairing their motors

so now you are saying when you race your car you have to fix broken parts as it's normal to break them under track conditions?
 
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Jan, Ian how would you compare the motor in the NASA Championship Mini to those in the RSR Motorsport Minis that run in the Koni Challenge (now Continental tire). Jan your tuning and the RMW parts that are allowed there now were a large part why they had the most competitive season yet in that series wasn't it? Wouldn't think those motors are pieced together...
 
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My full "race" moter will be finished on Jan 5th .

It may never see a track but the parts used are the best you can get. For a real race team this is the only way to go.

The fact that Ian accomplished what he did with his "made to order" motor is just awsome .

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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 10:23 PM
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Hey Paul good to meet you Ive heard good things about you. As for experience my dad my the president of PCA LA for a few years and I grew up around building Porsche's and racing them. Started with Karts and then auto-x and then worked with Ford on the Focus and ZX2 programs they had in the late 90's, after they cancelled the program in 2000 I went to another profession for 9 years and now Im back full time racing. I have a 08 Subaru STI 500+hp that I race Redline Time Attack in. Im just really happy to be working with ABF and running the Mini's. Track wise I have driven all west coast tracks except for Miller. Would I say Im pro NO, just gifted.

So...I'm confused...judging by this post you're saying that you used to be a professional driver in a program with Ford. Then moved to another profession for 9 years, and you are now back to full-time racing. If your current profession is to be a full-time race car driver...doesn't that automatically make you a professional driver?

Unless of course the term profession and professional no longer derive from the same root word...
 
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Revolution Mini Works
answer this question.........how were you only able to run 1:33 in a R53 with
head, tune ,coilovers, brakes etc and able to run 1:27 in the JCW with less performance parts?
I also would love to know the answear to this question. I managed to run a 1:30:8xx CW with alright coilovers and RMW parts/tuning. Running a 1:27 in a Mini with less power,brakes, parts, and etc is not an easy task, esp if you run 1:33 in a R53.
 
Old Dec 26, 2009 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by COOUUPER S
I also would love to know the answear to this question. I managed to run a 1:30:8xx CW with alright coilovers and RMW parts/tuning. Running a 1:27 in a Mini with less power,brakes, parts, and etc is not an easy task, esp if you run 1:33 in a R53.
I honestly have no clue about Bob Scheers Mini and what condition it was in hence the 1:33, again I didnt drive it. 1:30 is fast bud I wouldnt be bummed about it, anything 1:30 and below is fast for SOW.
 
Old Dec 26, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by COOUUPER S
I also would love to know the answear to this question. I managed to run a 1:30:8xx CW with alright coilovers and RMW parts/tuning. Running a 1:27 in a Mini with less power,brakes, parts, and etc is not an easy task, esp if you run 1:33 in a R53.
Dez driver of the ABF JCW R56 Mini explained Jan's assumption in post # 56

The stock JCW (Brembo) R56 brakes are very very good

Are you the driver of the Mini in the you tube video in post # 22
 
Old Dec 26, 2009 | 06:50 AM
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All in fun

Wish I could come down and play with you boys (& girls who may be reading and racing). Looks like an intense rivalry. All I can do up here is auto-x in parking lots. At most an event up near Tannana, Ak you can hit 100 or so. Its a good 350 miles away and at best twice a year if anyone shows up.
I think you boys are worrying the moderator. I say keep up the good fun! We racer types would help each other in need and you know it. Hope to leave Alaska and come racing some day. After the waranty is gone then I will think or ask about options other than bolt on stuff I already purchased from Alta.
See ya Lator
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ninjlao
So...I'm confused...judging by this post you're saying that you used to be a professional driver in a program with Ford. Then moved to another profession for 9 years, and you are now back to full-time racing. If your current profession is to be a full-time race car driver...doesn't that automatically make you a professional driver?

Unless of course the term profession and professional no longer derive from the same root word...


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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by COOUUPER S
I also would love to know the answear to this question. I managed to run a 1:30:8xx CW with alright coilovers and RMW parts/tuning. Running a 1:27 in a Mini with less power,brakes, parts, and etc is not an easy task, esp if you run 1:33 in a R53.
It was 1.30.864 if you are the same person as below

Arthur Hosepo1:30.86471.320BMWMini Cooper S2006Street

what is the exact spec of your car ?
 
Old Dec 26, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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Rmw bvh, race cam, Street header, 16% pulley, and a tune by RMW. The car has the back seats out only, and lighter 17" wheels. Cornering on BC coils, rear larger sway bar. Driving on worn Sumitomo HTRZ street tires. The car has a lot more in it, but given the fact I am no PRO, my best achievement was 1:30. The engine goodies play a big role in my time, and have not let me down ever. The car has around 80k and is running good as ever.
 

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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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On the south course at VIR, known to be very brake unfriendly, I've run six 30 min sessions in one day on the OEM JCW brake pads without boiling.
Same here, no brake fade either! They just squeak after a day at the track.
 
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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Rmw bvh, race cam, Street header, 16% pulley, and a tune by RMW. The car has the back seats out only, and lighter 17" wheels. Cornering on BC coils, rear larger sway bar. Driving on worn Sumitomo HTRZ street tires. The car has a lot more in it, but given the fact I am no PRO, my best achievement was 1:30. The engine goodies play a big role in my time, and have not let me down ever. The car has around 80k and is running good as ever.

Wow thats some going on those tires, I had to google them as I had never heard of them.

I would of thought that with slicks you would be in the 28s like Jan and Danny

Have your Bc's got the stock springs or swift?
 
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 08:49 AM
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Wow thats some going on those tires, I had to google them as I had never heard of them.

I would of thought that with slicks you would be in the 28s like Jan and Danny

Have your Bc's got the stock springs or swift?

at some point you just might figure out that it's the parts and tuning that keep allowing amatuer's with very little track time to keep posting up times faster than a professional driver in a similar equipped Mini

take me for example on my second track day I went 1:30, a time that had never been done before with a Mini. A total of less than 2hrs of track time!
Most sessions are 15-20min and I average about 3 sessions a track day. So I have roughly 5hrs of total track time. How much track time does Dez and Bob have?
The fact you continue to gloss over this important part of the equation is mind boggling unless you have some agenda you want to push. I'm no driving prodigy that's for sure

Arturo's car will easily do 26s with the right driver. (more hp and tq than Flanery's car) He has about the same experience as me on the track.

Why are there no other times from novice drivers at streets that are even 1:30s that are NOT RMW tuned?

Surely super Jay , little mike or Dr. Fuh could have run the car around and posted some times. Even the mighty widow never cracked off a 1:30. Now that super Jay has it, why haven't we seen it in action?
 
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Even the mighty widow never cracked off a 1:30. Now that super Jay has it, why haven't we seen it in action?


Because as always Jan you assume a lot of things and post them without knowing the facts

Bit like your R56 remote tune.............................
 
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at some point you just might figure out that it's the parts and tuning that keep allowing amatuer's with very little track time to keep posting up times faster than a professional driver in a similar equipped Mini

take me for example on my second track day I went 1:30, a time that had never been done before with a Mini. A total of less than 2hrs of track time!
Most sessions are 15-20min and I average about 3 sessions a track day. So I have roughly 5hrs of total track time. How much track time does Dez and Bob have?
The fact you continue to gloss over this important part of the equation is mind boggling unless you have some agenda you want to push. I'm no driving prodigy that's for sure

Arturo's car will easily do 26s with the right driver. (more hp and tq than Flanery's car) He has about the same experience as me on the track.

Why are there no other times from novice drivers at streets that are even 1:30s that are NOT RMW tuned?
For all we know your goodself Danny and Arturo could be very good drivers before you even hit the track, As many instructor will tell you there are drivers who pick up straight a way and then there are those who need a lot of confidence building.

Obviously you three have a lot of confidence to take your pride and joys out without a instructor.

As for the hp are you now saying that its the RMW horsepower that equals quick lap times ?

If that is so how come Sean made 29 more hp but was only .029 in front at the finish line
 

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Just so you guys know we werent out at SOW trying to break records. We put on the new ABF springs and went out for the Redline appreciation day and did some testing. We ran 2 sessions and ran consistant 127-128's and a total of 10 laps.

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REALLY? 2 SESSIONS AND 10 LAPS?
YOU REALLY SURE YOU WANT TO STAND BY THAT?

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Even the mighty widow never cracked off a 1:30. Now that super Jay has it, why haven't we seen it in action?


Because as always Jan you assume a lot of things and post them without knowing the facts

Bit like your R56 remote tune.............................
DO I MANUFACTURE THE R56 FLASH TOOL?

seriously Paul... if this is what your "basis" of this is all about now.... ROFLMAO

you can make your stand on the fact your pro driver has beaten a guy with 5hrs of track time... then hang your hat on that big boy

what's it going to say when I put the transponder on and beat it myself......again?
 
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Not at all Jan but as always you spout your mouth before knowing the facts.

What i dont understand is why you're making such a big deal about a 301 hp R53 running 1.28s when lower powered cars with good drivers go quicker.

That says one thing to me more track time and tuition is needed, and long as any MINI owner no matter whether they own a R%3 or R56 sets a NPB every time they go out, what does it matter.

I cant help Sean being Sean Dez being Dez and Ian being Ian, there all good drivers and they've all broken new barriers at the tracks they've visited.

All of us normal people have something to aspire to and know what a R53 and a R56 can do at all of the tracks these three have been to and all the tracks they visit in 2010.
 
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problem for you Paul is... I do know the FACTs........why has it taken you this long to admit that hp does matter when you have very little track experience?

maybe you and your posse should get the FACTS clear before posting?
 
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problem for you Paul is... I do know the FACTs........why has it taken you this long to admit that hp does matter when you have very little track experience?

maybe you and your posse should get the FACTS clear before posting?
Yes but your "I do know the FACT's" include drag racing ET = horsepower

So why sould anyone consider what you regards as "FACT's" as the truth.

Also if Seans extra 29 hp = .029 of a secound at SOW that means that Danny can go .061 quicker than Seans time
 
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Yes but your "I do know the FACT's" include drag racing ET = horsepower

So why sould anyone consider what you regards as "FACT's" as the truth.

Also if Seans extra 29 hp = .029 of a secound at SOW that means that Danny can go .061 quicker than Seans time
again and again and again you are wrong Paul

Mini Mike said the car put down at least 210whp on their mustang dyno and since you like to prove how much it reads low yet fail to bring up that here is strange don't you think?

a well tuned R56 JCW on the same dyno that Sean pulled 234/187 would pull 229whp and 240-250tq..... So I ask you again Paul.......

got your facts straight?

since Sean actually beat Dez around with the known time, yet has gone 1:26 previously..... at less tq and less parts........do you still think the R56 is a superior platform?
 
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He got the wrong JCW, they have more than 1, this one actually laid down 205whp, I thought you be able to work 234 -29 = 205

The 1.26 is just hearsay, just like Jay owning the Black Widow, We're taliking about FACT's here
 
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He got the wrong JCW, they have more than 1, this one actually laid down 205whp, I thought you be able to work 234 -29 = 205

The 1.26 is just hearsay, just like Jay owning the Black Widow, We're taliking about FACT's here

I guess it's hard to get your "stories" straight when you have so many ***** in the air don't you think?

regardless of the numbers you want to use for the ABF dyno, the facts remain you are comparing 1 dyno to another and with the trouble you all went to trying to prove the differences you run and hide now that the facts are brought into play.

you can't have it both ways Paul..... everyone here with half a brain can see the facts as they are.

as for your previous post...... mph=hp not et
 

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