ABF JCW R56 smashes SOW record 1.27.691
As TMR says grow up Jan, you change like the wind does, do you think we're going to comply to the Jan rule book off finding someone who has run 5 track days to drive the car, where the hell did you come up with that one?
Hey Ian your National Championship doesn't count anymore because you didn't have someone who had only done 5 track days at each event you enetered your Mini for, I think I've heard them all now
Does the Jan rule book sit neatly on the desk next to the Jan excuse book
Why do I need to get back to you
you need to get back to me when you've run a 26
If I remember right you said "No one dare go to SOW" hate to tell you this but someone has and on there secound outing they've taken the record off you.
So you better get some lessons booked or you might find someone to go 50-50 with you on a Pro driver, In fact with all your racing contacts in the Mini world you must have loads off drivers wanting to do you a favour

I mean its not like they were on SLICKS like you use, hell it might even gone in the 26s on slicks as it is.
DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME CALLED TRACK RECORDS
Last edited by Paul Webster; Dec 19, 2009 at 09:44 AM.
Just got back from the track. The car was driven to and from the track. Time was run on Yokohama AD08 street tires. This car is on stock shocks with MegaMini Springs, Open exhaust after the cat, custom MegaMini intercooler, MegaMini Intake, MegaMini diet, OS Giken super lock LSD, OS Giken racing clutch, and a Mynes Performance tune. The car looked great and seemed well planted. I'll post a video soon.
Our buddy who just got rid of his Mini in favor for a Vette, because he said he couldn't keep up at the track, would hate this video
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consider yourself lucky. Some of us weren't so lucky. Quality parts don't involve a roll of the dice.
search. its been covered....RMW shorty headers and failures of the flex joint (plus CEL's). Add my own experience with bad parts from RMW right from the start (race header incorrectly welded, ruined O2 sensor, melted bumper from improper fitment...on and on).
consider yourself lucky. Some of us weren't so lucky. Quality parts don't involve a roll of the dice.
search. its been covered....RMW shorty headers and failures of the flex joint (plus CEL's). Add my own experience with bad parts from RMW right from the start (race header incorrectly welded, ruined O2 sensor, melted bumper from improper fitment...on and on).
add them to the list. I know mine wasn't perfect....I don't think they do QC...if they did, they'd have seen the issue with mine. Luckily, Eric @ Helix had a fix for it. Wouldn't be the only time he picked up slack for the manufacturer on my behalf.
1:27.653
Guess you should do your homework before claiming a record:
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=729847
Flannery in his GP at the top of the list with a 1:27.653
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=729847
Flannery in his GP at the top of the list with a 1:27.653
Show us a link to that record that proves it
Because all I can find is your inaccurate references here;
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...of-willow.html
And as you can see there is no 1.26.xxx noted in the above
Because all I can find is your inaccurate references here;
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...of-willow.html
And as you can see there is no 1.26.xxx noted in the above
Guess you should do your homework before claiming a record:
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=729847
Flannery in his GP at the top of the list with a 1:27.653
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=729847
Flannery in his GP at the top of the list with a 1:27.653
OH SNAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO..............
btw.... talked to Flanery yesterday, he's ready to roll back out to the track at first chance
he did this with a GP with stock pulley
RMW HEAD, injectors and tune
street tires and $800 coilovers
As TMR says grow up Jan, you change like the wind does, do you think we're going to comply to the Jan rule book off finding someone who has run 5 track days to drive the car, where the hell did you come up with that one?
Hey Ian your National Championship doesn't count anymore because you didn't have someone who had only done 5 track days at each event you enetered your Mini for, I think I've heard them all now
Does the Jan rule book sit neatly on the desk next to the Jan excuse book
Why do I need to get back to you
you need to get back to me when you've run a 26
If I remember right you said "No one dare go to SOW" hate to tell you this but someone has and on there secound outing they've taken the record off you.
So you better get some lessons booked or you might find someone to go 50-50 with you on a Pro driver, In fact with all your racing contacts in the Mini world you must have loads off drivers wanting to do you a favour
I mean its not like they were on SLICKS like you use, hell it might even gone in the 26s on slicks as it is.
DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME CALLED TRACK RECORDS
Hey Ian your National Championship doesn't count anymore because you didn't have someone who had only done 5 track days at each event you enetered your Mini for, I think I've heard them all now
Does the Jan rule book sit neatly on the desk next to the Jan excuse book
Why do I need to get back to you
you need to get back to me when you've run a 26
If I remember right you said "No one dare go to SOW" hate to tell you this but someone has and on there secound outing they've taken the record off you.
So you better get some lessons booked or you might find someone to go 50-50 with you on a Pro driver, In fact with all your racing contacts in the Mini world you must have loads off drivers wanting to do you a favour

I mean its not like they were on SLICKS like you use, hell it might even gone in the 26s on slicks as it is.
DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME CALLED TRACK RECORDS
are you hating the game yet?
Its intresting for sure what you could end up running with this JCW R56, considering what it hasn't got and considering it only makes 203whp and is quicker than Danny's which makes 301hp which has had more laps around SOW and has more track friendly gear on it (slicks and coil overs).


ok.... so NOW you have PROOF that a simple head on a R53 is faster than your beloved R56........... tell us how you feel now Paul?
stock pulley
stock cam
stock intercooler
stock brakes blah blah blah.............
oops...234 HUB HP too with 187tq
so I ask you again Paul.......what do you think Danny's with his HP in a capable drivers hands will do?

that's 67 more hp and 30ish more tq to come out of the corners with and accelerate down the straight aways
Last edited by Revolution Mini Works; Dec 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM. Reason: added more
ok.... so NOW you have PROOF that a simple head on a R53 is faster than your beloved R56........... tell us how you feel now Paul?
stock pulley
stock cam
stock intercooler
stock brakes blah blah blah.............
oops...234 HUB HP too with 187tq
so I ask you again Paul.......what do you think Danny's with his HP in a capable drivers hands will do?
that's 67 more hp and 30ish more tq to come out of the corners with and accelerate down the straight aways
stock pulley
stock cam
stock intercooler
stock brakes blah blah blah.............
oops...234 HUB HP too with 187tq
so I ask you again Paul.......what do you think Danny's with his HP in a capable drivers hands will do?

that's 67 more hp and 30ish more tq to come out of the corners with and accelerate down the straight aways
Well found Jan or was it Ian , so lets get this right Sean offically went 1.27.653 (not a 26 as you led us to believe) a whole .039 faster than Dez in the JCW R56 with a STOCK HEAD and a tune.
For those who dont know Dez here is picking up 1st place at Time Attack at Cal Speedway, so RMW arent the only MINI tuner to podium in the good old USA
Cant wait for next year it looks like it's going to be a whole lot of fun
So now all you have to do is find your 1.27s from a couple of weeks ago
As for Danny's who knows, it might have more Hp but the times recorded aren't showing that huge advantge, I suppose you have to decide over spending loads of money acheiving high hp or just getting some lessons in a R56 JCW to get the same times.
For clarification:
Redline Track Events
DateFeb 9, 2008 8:23:00 AMTrackStreets of Willow - Clockwise (1.8 miles)EventStreets of WillowGroupStreets of WillowBest Lap Tm1:27.653In Lap2Best Speed73.928bySean Patrick Flannery
Think that's the record...
Redline Track Events
DateFeb 9, 2008 8:23:00 AMTrackStreets of Willow - Clockwise (1.8 miles)EventStreets of WillowGroupStreets of WillowBest Lap Tm1:27.653In Lap2Best Speed73.928bySean Patrick Flannery
Think that's the record...
Last edited by minimarks; Dec 21, 2009 at 04:11 PM.
For clarification:
Redline Track Events
DateFeb 9, 2008 8:23:00 AMTrackStreets of Willow - Clockwise (1.8 miles)EventStreets of WillowGroupStreets of WillowBest Lap Tm1:27.653In Lap2Best Speed73.928bySean Patrick Flannery
Think that's the record...
Redline Track Events
DateFeb 9, 2008 8:23:00 AMTrackStreets of Willow - Clockwise (1.8 miles)EventStreets of WillowGroupStreets of WillowBest Lap Tm1:27.653In Lap2Best Speed73.928bySean Patrick Flannery
Think that's the record...
RedlineTrack Events is only one of the many run groups that go there . That may be the " record " for them but that does not say anything for the multitude of other organizations that utilize the willow Springs facility. For the most part the SOW course has no real record as it is constantly being changed and runs in a multitude of configurations' as well clock and counter clockwise. The only seriously recognized records in that area would be the " big track " at Willow which has only one layout.
Randy
M7 Tuning
RedlineTrack Events is only one of the many run groups that go there . That may be the " record " for them but that does not say anything for the multitude of other organizations that utilize the willow Springs facility. For the most part the SOW course has no real record as it is constantly being changed and runs in a multitude of configurations' as well clock and counter clockwise. The only seriously recognized records in that area would be the " big track " at Willow which has only one layout.
Randy
M7 Tuning
Randy
M7 Tuning
OK, if that is true then what record was supposedly smashed?
So TMR and Paul tell Jan to grow up and now start whining and making excuses when they find out they don't have the record, here comes the hypocrisy again. If your going to dish it out, be man enough to take it.
Best post of the year, video of someone winning a time attack event VS someone multiple track records and a national championship. I think I've seen it all now.
P.S. Flannery doesn't always run with a transponder. I'm looking forward to making sure he has one on the car and telling him the time counts, you might be surprised.
Best post of the year, video of someone winning a time attack event VS someone multiple track records and a national championship. I think I've seen it all now.
P.S. Flannery doesn't always run with a transponder. I'm looking forward to making sure he has one on the car and telling him the time counts, you might be surprised.
Hey wait a sec, just realised I own a track record at both VIR and Road Atlanta for a space blue R53 running REO1r's with a 15% pulley, JCW intake, Milltek exhaust, TSW springs, IE camber plates, 19mm sway bar, Jan tune (and get this) JCW floor mats with me driving!!!!

PS: Just wait, I'm going to smash both of those records in 2010 and set a few more at a track near you!!
PS: Just wait, I'm going to smash both of those records in 2010 and set a few more at a track near you!!
Ok.... so what have we all learned today?
Paul learned that he should just keep his mouth shut. I told you from the start you didn't have a record,( how do you know I don't have the other times sitting somewhere ready to spring on you?)
For the second part about money spent... let's see here............
R53
RMW Head $2k
injectors $325
tune $350
H&R coilovers $800 (we all know these are barely better than springs)
total price= $3475
R56 JCW
intercooler normally about $750-800 but custom? easily over $1k in fab time etc....
K+N air cleaner =$260
OS GIKEN LSD= $1590
OS GIKEN CLUTCH $1590
custom tune $600
springs = minimum of $400
my guess there are swaybars on it too but it really doesn't matter you have already spent more than Flanery did to go slower.............
SO EVEN ON THE LOW END OF THE SCALE YOU SPENT $5190 to GO SLOWER PAUL....... still feel good about that R56?
all this done on 234 HUB HORSEPOWER and 187 HUB TORQUE
we have come so much farther in tuning and prep since then Paul.....
I get a kick out of you trying to justify horsepower and times Danny and myself have done. Danny and I have less track time in our lives than your pro driver does in 2009 alone........ROFLMAO........ This just shows how little you really know about road racing.... but keep it coming.....
it's going to be so much sweeter when I post up the real times
The best part of this is you guys calling up OS GIKEN to brag about your "record" time..............ROFLMAO>...............whoops:no :
Paul learned that he should just keep his mouth shut. I told you from the start you didn't have a record,( how do you know I don't have the other times sitting somewhere ready to spring on you?)
For the second part about money spent... let's see here............
R53
RMW Head $2k
injectors $325
tune $350
H&R coilovers $800 (we all know these are barely better than springs)
total price= $3475
R56 JCW
intercooler normally about $750-800 but custom? easily over $1k in fab time etc....
K+N air cleaner =$260
OS GIKEN LSD= $1590
OS GIKEN CLUTCH $1590
custom tune $600
springs = minimum of $400
my guess there are swaybars on it too but it really doesn't matter you have already spent more than Flanery did to go slower.............
SO EVEN ON THE LOW END OF THE SCALE YOU SPENT $5190 to GO SLOWER PAUL....... still feel good about that R56?
all this done on 234 HUB HORSEPOWER and 187 HUB TORQUE
we have come so much farther in tuning and prep since then Paul.....
I get a kick out of you trying to justify horsepower and times Danny and myself have done. Danny and I have less track time in our lives than your pro driver does in 2009 alone........ROFLMAO........ This just shows how little you really know about road racing.... but keep it coming.....
it's going to be so much sweeter when I post up the real times
The best part of this is you guys calling up OS GIKEN to brag about your "record" time..............ROFLMAO>...............whoops:no :
Just so you guys know we werent out at SOW trying to break records. We put on the new ABF springs and went out for the Redline appreciation day and did some testing. We ran 2 sessions and ran consistant 127-128's and a total of 10 laps. The springs are amazing and I cant wait until we can actually add some negative camber up front, Im still so surprised how well we did with stock shocks. Also Jan you mention your car that ran 127 with stock brakes is a joke, any honest person knows that after 2 laps the fluid would be boiling over and the pads would be smoked. R56 is an amazing car as are all Mini's but we are just getting started with the R56 and really testing each product ABF puts on the car to make sure we get results like we did at SOW. Jan if you are looking for a dogfight or grudge match name the track, pick any driver you like and lets do it. To all others on the board thanks for the kind words on the R56, Im just getting started...
Dez Ballard
ABF
Dez Ballard
ABF
Everyone has seen me run the car with stock brakes and pads
it's a fact
we are upgrading pads now but they
are currently stock
I'll see you at the track next yr
it's going to be fun
as for not crediting your sponsors like OS Giken
that's a big no no
it's a fact
we are upgrading pads now but they
are currently stock
I'll see you at the track next yr
it's going to be fun
as for not crediting your sponsors like OS Giken
that's a big no no
So set a date and we will be there, enough talking.
On the south course at VIR, known to be very brake unfriendly, I've run six 30 min sessions in one day on the OEM JCW brake pads without boiling. While they aren't a very good pad for obtaining the lowest lap times during a track session they will hold up and I'm still using the very same pads on my street set-up.. Fill free to ask anyone that's run with me how easy I am on brakes...
Ok
ask and you shall receive
you can run against a stock supercharger
I'll cover your entry fee
http://www.hookedondriving.com/category.cfm?category=1
ask and you shall receive
you can run against a stock supercharger
I'll cover your entry fee
http://www.hookedondriving.com/category.cfm?category=1
Last edited by Revolution Mini Works; Dec 21, 2009 at 08:13 PM. Reason: Spelling



No I think you have the reading and comprehesion problem Jan 