R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 What's really up with MINI windshields?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:21 PM
  #1  
ToroPerro's Avatar
ToroPerro
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 285
Likes: 4
What's really up with MINI windshields?

What gets me about this windshield thing is the uncertainty of it all: I have have replaced 5 windhshields in my last three cars. There were 3 mystery cracks and 2 that resulted from a known impact.

So, it looks like Mini has a problem, but if you seacrh Honda cracked windshield or Scion cracked windshiled, the exact same kind of, “I went into the garage this morning and there was an L shaped crack” stories that are being posted here will pop up.

My point is that how can we be sure that it’s stress, or an unseen (and unheard) rock? More importantly, how can Mini be sure that it is or isn’t a design flaw?

The problem with the Mini goes back to 2002 and was supposedly “solved” in 2003 when Mini corrected an issue with the A-pillars.

But now we see the issue again with Minis as late as 2006. Will there ever be a definitive answer? I would prefer NOT to be doing more windshields than oil changes in my Mini.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:24 PM
  #2  
ToroPerro's Avatar
ToroPerro
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 285
Likes: 4
Sorry: Forgot an important question

How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?

Also, please note year, model and miles.

Thanks.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:27 PM
  #3  
RtIrish's Avatar
RtIrish
1st Gear
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
If my dealer won't replace it under warranty I've already sourced another one elsewhere. They're installed by the same guy that the dealer subs out for this but he has different ones to choose from. If it comes to this then, based on what I've read, I'll go for a PPG version.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:28 PM
  #4  
chows4us's Avatar
chows4us
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 15,478
Likes: 2
Originally Posted by ToroPerro
How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?
Me, for over 18 months.

I'm guessing its because the car is a flying brick. Winshield stand upright, the car has a terrible CD. Stuff hits the windshield. Most modern cars have a nice sloped winshield. I guess the price to pay for the retro look.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:28 PM
  #5  
RtIrish's Avatar
RtIrish
1st Gear
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
'03, 20K-ish
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:35 PM
  #6  
ChrisW's Avatar
ChrisW
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 8,639
Likes: 0
From: Fresno, Ca.
01/05 build, MCS, 108XX no problems.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:37 PM
  #7  
jack07734's Avatar
jack07734
4th Gear
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
From: Next Door To The Great White North
Originally Posted by ToroPerro
How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?

Also, please note year, model and miles.

Thanks.
03 mcs 11/02 build still has the original windshield 77k miles

Cheers,
Jack
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:47 PM
  #8  
holdenontoit's Avatar
holdenontoit
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,184
Likes: 0
From: north seacoast ,Ma.USA
90k : about to install #8 ( PPG lasted longer than the previous 6 combined and took a major rock strike without even cracking , just a major divot.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:56 PM
  #9  
Mishka's Avatar
Mishka
6th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,313
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Missouri
07/2005 build MCC, had him for 17 months, 13,300 miles, original windshield (knock on wood)
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 01:56 PM
  #10  
plantain's Avatar
plantain
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Still original windshield.

Got lots of pits, but no cracks yet. Cooper CVT 2005, 31K miles



Originally Posted by ToroPerro
How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?

Also, please note year, model and miles.

Thanks.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 02:10 PM
  #11  
ToroPerro's Avatar
ToroPerro
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 285
Likes: 4
Pits are a sad fact of life in Los Angeles. There's just too much s**t flying around (especially on the freeway). It sucks.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 03:42 PM
  #12  
erickvonzipper's Avatar
erickvonzipper
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,384
Likes: 0
From: LI, NY
My dealer's service manager said he was aware of the problem, and when they replace windshields, they do it in such a way that it is mounted more firmly/securely, especially at the top where most pf the cracks originate. Of course, this begs the question, if the dealer can mount the windshield more securely, why can't the factory, that is, if the dealership really did mount it more securely and are not just pulling my leg, or telling me what I 'need' to hear.

Damn, I'm such a friggin' skeptic! =o\

Zip
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:13 PM
  #13  
Buang's Avatar
Buang
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
MCS-JCW 04 24kmiles two stars from flying pepples on the 73 (OC CA)freeway and a mysterious 1 inch crack that runs corner to corner on the top driver side of the windshield.
The other annoying thing is that the plastic seal gasket at the top of the shield is for ever trying to get loose. Finally pasted it back in with some silicone.
Incidentally what is a PPG Windshield?
Buang
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:25 PM
  #14  
dragonwang's Avatar
dragonwang
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 193
Likes: 1
From: Los Scandelous, CA
Still on original windshield. 2005 MCS, 24k miles, lots of pits tho!
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:30 PM
  #15  
Bullfrog's Avatar
Bullfrog
4th Gear
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
From: NW NC, USA, Earth
05/05 MC, original windsheild, 31k. Lots of divots, 2 rock hits. No cracks.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:38 PM
  #16  
draggonmann's Avatar
draggonmann
5th Gear
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 951
Likes: 0
From: Cincinnati Ohio
07/04 build 05 has 45k and no windsheild problems.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:52 PM
  #17  
k_h_d's Avatar
k_h_d
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,781
Likes: 3
2003 MCS 34k miles (real late build). I bought it about 5 months ago and I am pretty sure its still the original windshield. No cracks, divets or imperfections.

Possibly people with lots of imperfections tailgate? I certanly hope that I do not have the issues that many others have had.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 05:04 PM
  #18  
Monk Edsel's Avatar
Monk Edsel
4th Gear
15 Year Member
Liked
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
2002 MC, 63k miles. There is a poorly filled chip on the passenger side that was there when I bought it last year. It is heavily and evenly pitted across the whole expanse, so I am pretty sure it is the original windshield. It always looks dirty when the sun hits it, it's horrible.

My hood is nothing but tiny little pits as well, also horrible.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 06:00 PM
  #19  
ToroPerro's Avatar
ToroPerro
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 285
Likes: 4
The numbers

Hmmm...I'd really like to know the numbers. I would think that a smaller windshield like the Mini's would be stronger PSI than a larger one. The glass is strongest in the center and weakest near the edges. The verticality issue is not convincing either: Both the VW bug and the Saab 900 have windshields that were just as vertical and were not crack prone.

The question of the A-pillars is more interesting. However, you would think that were there an actual issue with glass that Mini would have been forced to issue a recall: Glass that cracks can also shatter which is a serious safety issue and would get them sued real bad.

Figure 36,000 Minis in the US each model year. How many of them really lose windshields w/o an impact of some kind?

I'm not sure that any of us knows the answer.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 06:49 PM
  #20  
Phantom's Avatar
Phantom
4th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
From: Barksdale AFB, LA
My mini has had the windshild replaced due to a big rock from a semi, the new window...like a champ...and I hit a bird going 65-70mph with it the other day... window +1 bird 0
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 06:59 PM
  #21  
ToBFree's Avatar
ToBFree
4th Gear
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 593
Likes: 3
From: Rootstown, OH
Originally Posted by ToroPerro
How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?
I have an '02 with 43,000 miles and the original windshield. It does have one chip with small crack (for over a year) and numerous little pits. I'm just not up for replacement because I know something will hit it the day it is replaced. Been there, done that. I'll wait for the crack to actually grow before I get an aftermarket, american, replacement.
 
Reply
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 07:03 PM
  #22  
ToBFree's Avatar
ToBFree
4th Gear
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 593
Likes: 3
From: Rootstown, OH
Originally Posted by Monk Edsel
2002 MC, 63k miles. There is a poorly filled chip on the passenger side that was there when I bought it last year. It is heavily and evenly pitted across the whole expanse, so I am pretty sure it is the original windshield. It always looks dirty when the sun hits it, it's horrible.

My hood is nothing but tiny little pits as well, also horrible.
Does PA still cinder or salt the roads? Winter is bad on any vehicle with all those little rock-like things bouncing all over the road and off others tires.
 
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:47 AM
  #23  
rhawth99's Avatar
rhawth99
6th Gear
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,694
Likes: 0
From: Central NJ
Incidentally what is a PPG Windshield?
Pittsburg Plate Glass - a type of glass. I had this installed in my wife's MINI back in October and so far am very pleased with it. Cost less than half what the dealer would charge and it's better glass.

Possibly people with lots of imperfections tailgate?
If your MINI is a daily driver, I don't know any way of not suffering stone and gravel hits (at least in normal NJ traffic). It's amazing how far in the air some of this stuff flies.

My '06 has an L shaped crack starting from the top on the driver's side - I have NEVER had a crack in any of my windshields in 30+ years of driving.
 
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 05:52 AM
  #24  
C4's Avatar
C4
Banned
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 7,756
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by ToroPerro
How many of you have NEVER had to fix or repair your Mini windshield?

Also, please note year, model and miles.

Thanks.

I have owned 3 MINIs, all bought brand new, and neither has ever had its factory windshield replaced:

2002 Cooper CVT, 8/2002 build, 41,000 miles, still on original factory glass.

2004 MCS, 9/2003 build, 17,500 miles, still on original factory glass when sold the vehicle in early February 2005.

2005 MCS, 2/2005 build, 21,900 miles, still on original factory glass.

All these cars are DAILY drivers, family haulers, road trip highway cruisers, etc. they are not weekend cars or garage darling queens

Probably I am in the minority here, but never had to contend with multiple glass replacements as others have.
 
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:43 AM
  #25  
daflake's Avatar
daflake
6th Gear
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,925
Likes: 2
From: Laurel MD
06 with 20000 miles. Not a problem at all and I drive on the autobahn here in Germany at a standard speed of 110 MPH.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:34 AM.