R50/53 Goodbye All.
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Sorry I've not read this thread sooner... good stuff !
Chows, I don't believe C4 is imposing his way of life onto studog any more than you are imposing your way of life onto him. He's simply stating what he believes is the proper way to manage an intimate relationship. Whether he is right or wrong is a matter strictly of opinion. He has a right to that opinion as much as you.
C4, I do believe you crossed the line and violated the TOS with the word "WUSS". That's a deragotory word, any way you look at it.
Finally, my personal opinion: I believe studog's wife is being unreasonable and a bit selfish. However, it's up to studog to take her advice (get rid of the MINI) or to do as he pleases (keep the MINI). By the sounds if his initial post, I feel safe in assuming he's not exactly happily married and his wife tends to control more than her fair share in their relationship. If he's okay with living that way, press on. If he's not, it may well be time to make a stand.
Chows, I don't believe C4 is imposing his way of life onto studog any more than you are imposing your way of life onto him. He's simply stating what he believes is the proper way to manage an intimate relationship. Whether he is right or wrong is a matter strictly of opinion. He has a right to that opinion as much as you.
C4, I do believe you crossed the line and violated the TOS with the word "WUSS". That's a deragotory word, any way you look at it.
Finally, my personal opinion: I believe studog's wife is being unreasonable and a bit selfish. However, it's up to studog to take her advice (get rid of the MINI) or to do as he pleases (keep the MINI). By the sounds if his initial post, I feel safe in assuming he's not exactly happily married and his wife tends to control more than her fair share in their relationship. If he's okay with living that way, press on. If he's not, it may well be time to make a stand.
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Seriously... this is a real life issue, not a staged act. I don't see your point.
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Chows, I don't believe C4 is imposing his way of life onto studog any more than you are imposing your way of life onto him. He's simply stating what he believes is the proper way to manage an intimate relationship. Whether he is right or wrong is a matter strictly of opinion. He has a right to that opinion as much as you.
C4, I do believe you crossed the line and violated the TOS with the word "WUSS". That's a deragotory word, any way you look at it.
C4, I do believe you crossed the line and violated the TOS with the word "WUSS". That's a deragotory word, any way you look at it.
My "reaction" was to calling the OP a "Wuss", totally disrespectful because you cannot possibly analyze his marriage from one incident.
Calling him a WUSS was just plain wrong.
BUT WAIT!!!! C4 dug out INFO that we didn't have ... there is a SUV involved. This was not stated before.
It changes everything.Usually, in a two car household, one party tends to drive the same car exclusively as a daily driver but on weekends, that may not be true.
If the wife has the SUV ... which was not said in the original post ... the wife should have cut the OP some slack since there is never a reason for the wife to drive the MINI with the kids in it if she is happy with a SUV.
Given that very important piece of info ... that was lacking ... ... I will not call the OP a Wussie Boy but a bit of communication between the partners may have eased the situation.
So there you go ... nice find C4
.... that changes everything.Although I wouldnt go so far as "marriage counseling", I respect your "generic" philosophical positions on this. Both you and jq77 came down pretty harsh on the OP without that important piece of info but now ... choke choke ... I'll say it too ....
Philosophically ... I'm forced to change my stand on this.
For the OP ... communications is the key to a successful marriage (IMO). It would seem there might have been a way to work this out.
C4 ... nice find.
We can agree to disagree on anything else, if you wish. It takes two sides to make a ballgameSeriously though ... these are important issues and I wish I had known that missing piece of info.
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Give the guy a break guys, he just posted to say goodbye. I wish him the best, I have no ideas what transpired in his personal life but apparently an agreement was reached that worked best for their life - as he said "It was time to put the family first."
Maybe they have several kids and need more then one vehicle that can accomodate them/pick them up as needed, other people or loads to carry, maybe the harsh ride hurts her knee - who knows, but I don't think anyone else can judge it fairly from the outside or a few posts from one perspective.
Edit: I just saw the other post buried in here about her concerns about safety, and well whether or not I agree doesn't matter, they are her kids so it is a valid as anything IMHO (and this doesn't sound great for them "I sit with the seat pretty much touching the back seat so my 5yr old who's the smaller of my 2 kids sat behind me would have to sit with his feet up & crossed leg."). Good luck with the Saab, hope you both enjoy it
Maybe they have several kids and need more then one vehicle that can accomodate them/pick them up as needed, other people or loads to carry, maybe the harsh ride hurts her knee - who knows, but I don't think anyone else can judge it fairly from the outside or a few posts from one perspective.
Edit: I just saw the other post buried in here about her concerns about safety, and well whether or not I agree doesn't matter, they are her kids so it is a valid as anything IMHO (and this doesn't sound great for them "I sit with the seat pretty much touching the back seat so my 5yr old who's the smaller of my 2 kids sat behind me would have to sit with his feet up & crossed leg."). Good luck with the Saab, hope you both enjoy it
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Well i guess i am the only one who agrees with C4 100%. I hate reading post after post on here about how people have to give up there cars because i have to take one for the family. Screw that. I HATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE KIDS SOUND LIKE SUCH A GREAT THING. WELL YOU KNOW SOMETHING THE MINI IS GREAT TOO AND WHEN IT TURNS 15 IT WONT TELL YOU TO GO F YOURSELF LIKE SOME KIDS WILL. life is about being happy not someone telling you what you can and can't do. why does it seem like everytime someone has to "GIVE UP THERE CAR FOR THE FAMILY" its always the man who has to give up something. I don't want kids my wife doesn't want kids, but if she ever does or we ever do i know whos car we will give up and it wont be mine. Or heres a better idea wait untill you make enough money to have both.
yes i know i will get flamed for this and i'm ok with that.
yes i know i will get flamed for this and i'm ok with that.
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Studog, what I am going to tell you is going to sound a little harsh but take it as a good piece of advise.....
All women tend to exhibit various degrees of "control" in their relationships with men. Some more than others. I think a successful marriage has to have a balance somewhere in between. My wife is definetely one of those controlling types but when it comes to my car choice, she is smart enough to know not to cross that line. You can tell me what electronic gadgets I can have or can't have, etc but you can't take away from me the car I choose to drive. Likewise, I excercise the same degree of respect towards the things she truly likes and for which I may or may not feel so hot about either. It is a common understanding that we both work, save our money but also spend it on the things we like without getting on each other's throats, save cases where I decide to buy a car that is more expensive that our own home, LOL!
But seriously Studog, you are one big WUSS! Your wife already knows very well your "hot buttons" and she seems not to have a problem to unleash her psychological warfare when it comes to the things you seem to enjoy and for whatever reason she feels is threating to her and the well being of her family. I can assure you, that this situation will continue every time you pick a car that is not suited to her "tastes" or what she perceives as "sensible" and good for the her and the kids.
Face it Studog, you are one unhappy man at this hour. You gave up your MINI against your own will, just to shut her up. I feel for you man, she must had be driving you insane with all her whining...ugh!
You my friend have problems in your marriage that run skin deep. Not just because you had to give up a material possession to bring back the "harmony" between the 2 of you, but because only 1 person in the relationship dictates and imposes her will and desires, regardless of what you think. The worst thing that can happen to a person in a married relationship is to be unhappy and to feel bullied and controlled. Unhappiness is fertile ground for many problems that can creep up at different times in your relationship. I am sure you love your wife dearly, but don't confuse that love with giving in everything for the sake of pace and harmony. There is a hint of unfairness to her bickering that simply has you put down and unable to stand your ground.
I highly recommend Studog, for you guys to seek marriage counseling help. next car purchase will have the 2 of you atthe brink of divorce, seriously! Money matters usually play a big part in broken up marriages. Pay attention to the signs and don't let things get out of hand.
My wife understands this very well. When it comes to my car choice she tells me "You can have whatever you want" and even if she might not be thrilled about it, she respects and cherish my choice because she knows that car there in the driveway and that level of understanding makes me happy. Conversely if my wife gets something that makes it happy, I am all over it even if it is something that doesn't really get me going.
I think your wife gives 2 hoots about whether you are happy or not. She lays out the rule of law and the terms of what constitutes happiness and what is allowed and not allowed. But, where does that leave you? You need TWO to TANGO. A Marriage is not a control/dominance contest but a relationship in which 2 people give and 2 people receive.
You are here because you miss your car and wish you could get it back. Like I said, seek professional help, because you going to go through this bickering hell the next time you purchase another car that is not in tune with what the missus wants.
A man has to have its toys. Some women don't like that, but that is the truth. Go and talk to her, giver her a hug and a kiss, show her your love but also tell her that you are deeply hurt because you had to give up your favorite car and you don't believe that was a fair compromise. If that doesn't work my friend, time to seek outside help.
Hope everything works out for you. Stand your ground and hopefully, you'll be motoring again, sooner than you think it will be possible!
All women tend to exhibit various degrees of "control" in their relationships with men. Some more than others. I think a successful marriage has to have a balance somewhere in between. My wife is definetely one of those controlling types but when it comes to my car choice, she is smart enough to know not to cross that line. You can tell me what electronic gadgets I can have or can't have, etc but you can't take away from me the car I choose to drive. Likewise, I excercise the same degree of respect towards the things she truly likes and for which I may or may not feel so hot about either. It is a common understanding that we both work, save our money but also spend it on the things we like without getting on each other's throats, save cases where I decide to buy a car that is more expensive that our own home, LOL!
But seriously Studog, you are one big WUSS! Your wife already knows very well your "hot buttons" and she seems not to have a problem to unleash her psychological warfare when it comes to the things you seem to enjoy and for whatever reason she feels is threating to her and the well being of her family. I can assure you, that this situation will continue every time you pick a car that is not suited to her "tastes" or what she perceives as "sensible" and good for the her and the kids.
Face it Studog, you are one unhappy man at this hour. You gave up your MINI against your own will, just to shut her up. I feel for you man, she must had be driving you insane with all her whining...ugh!
You my friend have problems in your marriage that run skin deep. Not just because you had to give up a material possession to bring back the "harmony" between the 2 of you, but because only 1 person in the relationship dictates and imposes her will and desires, regardless of what you think. The worst thing that can happen to a person in a married relationship is to be unhappy and to feel bullied and controlled. Unhappiness is fertile ground for many problems that can creep up at different times in your relationship. I am sure you love your wife dearly, but don't confuse that love with giving in everything for the sake of pace and harmony. There is a hint of unfairness to her bickering that simply has you put down and unable to stand your ground.
I highly recommend Studog, for you guys to seek marriage counseling help. next car purchase will have the 2 of you atthe brink of divorce, seriously! Money matters usually play a big part in broken up marriages. Pay attention to the signs and don't let things get out of hand.
My wife understands this very well. When it comes to my car choice she tells me "You can have whatever you want" and even if she might not be thrilled about it, she respects and cherish my choice because she knows that car there in the driveway and that level of understanding makes me happy. Conversely if my wife gets something that makes it happy, I am all over it even if it is something that doesn't really get me going.
I think your wife gives 2 hoots about whether you are happy or not. She lays out the rule of law and the terms of what constitutes happiness and what is allowed and not allowed. But, where does that leave you? You need TWO to TANGO. A Marriage is not a control/dominance contest but a relationship in which 2 people give and 2 people receive.
You are here because you miss your car and wish you could get it back. Like I said, seek professional help, because you going to go through this bickering hell the next time you purchase another car that is not in tune with what the missus wants.
A man has to have its toys. Some women don't like that, but that is the truth. Go and talk to her, giver her a hug and a kiss, show her your love but also tell her that you are deeply hurt because you had to give up your favorite car and you don't believe that was a fair compromise. If that doesn't work my friend, time to seek outside help.
Hope everything works out for you. Stand your ground and hopefully, you'll be motoring again, sooner than you think it will be possible!
Whoa, thanks that session. But you don't know me or my relationship.
And trust me know one was bullied here. I bought the car in the first place against her will. Hell I gave up a brand new car too get the MINI in the first place. In the big picture timing wasn't right ya it sucked to get rid of it but iI'm not lossing sleep over it. And when the time is right
I'll get another one or some other car to fill my toy needs.
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Hehe,
ChrisW, having kids is one of the greatest events in life, without a doubt. I absolutely love my 10 week old baby boy... Needless to say I am in cloud "nine" when I hold him and he smiles back at me... There are no words to describe the feeling and hapiness a child can bring into one's life.
But true, kids are not for everybody and they are a HUGE responsability and a lot of work. When they are born, you basically commit to take care of them for the next 18-20 years, but even after they leave the "nest" they will still be your kids forever. Sure children means lots of little sacrifices here and there. When you make the decision to bring a baby into the world, your life and your plans are no longer the top priority they used to be.
My wife and I were "Childless" for 6 and a half years and we enjoyed it. We did quite a bit of travelling and did a bunch of cool things here and there... But at some point we wanted to start a family and with her biological clock ticking (She is 30, but still) we decided that after nearly 7 years of marriage we wanted to bring home a little bundle of love and so we did in early November. Life is radically different now, but also, life goes on so it is now 3 instead of 2 going everywhere and anywhere but it should be a fun journey together and one that we are just getting started.
But then again, kids are not everyone's cup of tea and I totally respect and understand couples that prefer not to have them and instead invest the time and money into other causes. I used to HATE when other couples with children (Mostly acquitances of ours and some family members) used to give us a hard time about us not having children during the first few years after our wedding. I never "push" into others the idea of having children. If you have them great, but if you don't, then that's very good also. That tells me that you have your life priorities in order. Nothing gives me more pain that couples that bring children into the world and they don't really want them. It is not fair to put an innocent child through that suffering. Those kids will grow up hating your guts, not a good thing!
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that kids should help enhance and make your life better not the other way around. Some people, once they have kids, they no longer do anything, go out on a short vacation, basically the kids become. so overpowering and overbearing that the parents lose totally themselves and I don't think that is a healthy approach either, if you follow my drift.
Parenting is a tough job but also a rewarding experience and if you make your best shot at being a good mom or dad, your kids will thank you for it later on.
So ChrisW, it is great to find the "perfect" balance between starting a family and getting to enjoy nice cars like our MINIs. It is doable, but perhaps not the most ideal proposition for the vast majority of folks out there
ChrisW, having kids is one of the greatest events in life, without a doubt. I absolutely love my 10 week old baby boy... Needless to say I am in cloud "nine" when I hold him and he smiles back at me... There are no words to describe the feeling and hapiness a child can bring into one's life.
But true, kids are not for everybody and they are a HUGE responsability and a lot of work. When they are born, you basically commit to take care of them for the next 18-20 years, but even after they leave the "nest" they will still be your kids forever. Sure children means lots of little sacrifices here and there. When you make the decision to bring a baby into the world, your life and your plans are no longer the top priority they used to be.
My wife and I were "Childless" for 6 and a half years and we enjoyed it. We did quite a bit of travelling and did a bunch of cool things here and there... But at some point we wanted to start a family and with her biological clock ticking (She is 30, but still) we decided that after nearly 7 years of marriage we wanted to bring home a little bundle of love and so we did in early November. Life is radically different now, but also, life goes on so it is now 3 instead of 2 going everywhere and anywhere but it should be a fun journey together and one that we are just getting started.
But then again, kids are not everyone's cup of tea and I totally respect and understand couples that prefer not to have them and instead invest the time and money into other causes. I used to HATE when other couples with children (Mostly acquitances of ours and some family members) used to give us a hard time about us not having children during the first few years after our wedding. I never "push" into others the idea of having children. If you have them great, but if you don't, then that's very good also. That tells me that you have your life priorities in order. Nothing gives me more pain that couples that bring children into the world and they don't really want them. It is not fair to put an innocent child through that suffering. Those kids will grow up hating your guts, not a good thing!
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that kids should help enhance and make your life better not the other way around. Some people, once they have kids, they no longer do anything, go out on a short vacation, basically the kids become. so overpowering and overbearing that the parents lose totally themselves and I don't think that is a healthy approach either, if you follow my drift.
Parenting is a tough job but also a rewarding experience and if you make your best shot at being a good mom or dad, your kids will thank you for it later on.
So ChrisW, it is great to find the "perfect" balance between starting a family and getting to enjoy nice cars like our MINIs. It is doable, but perhaps not the most ideal proposition for the vast majority of folks out there
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"it's all about me."
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Ok I finally read this whole thing. Such debate I my behalf,
I’m touched. Ya I got tired of her giving me sh@t but she wasn’t
the only factor. Maybe I didn’t do a great job of explaining it but
one of the reasons I gave up the car, was my kids really don’t fit in
there that well and I wasn’t that comfortable for safety and overall
driving comfort with them in there.
Next time you have someone sit in the back, take a look at how close
their head is to the hatch window. The fact that there really isn’t any
information on what could happen to the back of the MINI in an accident
might make you think twice about putting someone back there.
There are plenty of people on this forum who don’t have anyone sit
back there for that reason.
These one-sided conversations on these forums is what shows really
how much of a wus someone is. I could guarantee you most people wouldn’t
say 90% of the crap they say if they where face-to-face with someone.
If anything I was a freakin idiot for going through 3 cars in the course of a
year and all the money I lost. That’s what I might need the therapy for.
But the flip is it is/was kind-of-cool owning the three different cars. You learn
a lot about different cars and yourself for that matter. Also you learn a
lot about buying and selling cars and how dealers work.
Latter.
I’m touched. Ya I got tired of her giving me sh@t but she wasn’t
the only factor. Maybe I didn’t do a great job of explaining it but
one of the reasons I gave up the car, was my kids really don’t fit in
there that well and I wasn’t that comfortable for safety and overall
driving comfort with them in there.
Next time you have someone sit in the back, take a look at how close
their head is to the hatch window. The fact that there really isn’t any
information on what could happen to the back of the MINI in an accident
might make you think twice about putting someone back there.
There are plenty of people on this forum who don’t have anyone sit
back there for that reason.
These one-sided conversations on these forums is what shows really
how much of a wus someone is. I could guarantee you most people wouldn’t
say 90% of the crap they say if they where face-to-face with someone.
If anything I was a freakin idiot for going through 3 cars in the course of a
year and all the money I lost. That’s what I might need the therapy for.
But the flip is it is/was kind-of-cool owning the three different cars. You learn
a lot about different cars and yourself for that matter. Also you learn a
lot about buying and selling cars and how dealers work.
Latter.
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Studog, www.IIHS.org has some interesting information on the performance of most vehicle in rear end impacts. Some mid-size sedans didn't do that well in that specific regard. I have seen some Honda Accords completely crushed in the rear, so I guess it is more a matter of actual engineering and structure strength than perceived looks.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
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Studog, www.IIHS.org has some interesting information on the performance of most vehicle in rear end impacts. Some mid-size sedans didn't do that well in that specific regard. I have seen some Honda Accords completely crushed in the rear, so I guess it is more a matter of actual engineering and structure strength than perceived looks.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
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Hehe,
ChrisW, having kids is one of the greatest events in life, without a doubt. I absolutely love my 10 week old baby boy... Needless to say I am in cloud "nine" when I hold him and he smiles back at me... There are no words to describe the feeling and hapiness a child can bring into one's life.
But true, kids are not for everybody and they are a HUGE responsability and a lot of work. When they are born, you basically commit to take care of them for the next 18-20 years, but even after they leave the "nest" they will still be your kids forever. Sure children means lots of little sacrifices here and there. When you make the decision to bring a baby into the world, your life and your plans are no longer the top priority they used to be.
My wife and I were "Childless" for 6 and a half years and we enjoyed it. We did quite a bit of travelling and did a bunch of cool things here and there... But at some point we wanted to start a family and with her biological clock ticking (She is 30, but still) we decided that after nearly 7 years of marriage we wanted to bring home a little bundle of love and so we did in early November. Life is radically different now, but also, life goes on so it is now 3 instead of 2 going everywhere and anywhere but it should be a fun journey together and one that we are just getting started.
But then again, kids are not everyone's cup of tea and I totally respect and understand couples that prefer not to have them and instead invest the time and money into other causes. I used to HATE when other couples with children (Mostly acquitances of ours and some family members) used to give us a hard time about us not having children during the first few years after our wedding. I never "push" into others the idea of having children. If you have them great, but if you don't, then that's very good also. That tells me that you have your life priorities in order. Nothing gives me more pain that couples that bring children into the world and they don't really want them. It is not fair to put an innocent child through that suffering. Those kids will grow up hating your guts, not a good thing!
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that kids should help enhance and make your life better not the other way around. Some people, once they have kids, they no longer do anything, go out on a short vacation, basically the kids become. so overpowering and overbearing that the parents lose totally themselves and I don't think that is a healthy approach either, if you follow my drift.
Parenting is a tough job but also a rewarding experience and if you make your best shot at being a good mom or dad, your kids will thank you for it later on.
So ChrisW, it is great to find the "perfect" balance between starting a family and getting to enjoy nice cars like our MINIs. It is doable, but perhaps not the most ideal proposition for the vast majority of folks out there
ChrisW, having kids is one of the greatest events in life, without a doubt. I absolutely love my 10 week old baby boy... Needless to say I am in cloud "nine" when I hold him and he smiles back at me... There are no words to describe the feeling and hapiness a child can bring into one's life.
But true, kids are not for everybody and they are a HUGE responsability and a lot of work. When they are born, you basically commit to take care of them for the next 18-20 years, but even after they leave the "nest" they will still be your kids forever. Sure children means lots of little sacrifices here and there. When you make the decision to bring a baby into the world, your life and your plans are no longer the top priority they used to be.
My wife and I were "Childless" for 6 and a half years and we enjoyed it. We did quite a bit of travelling and did a bunch of cool things here and there... But at some point we wanted to start a family and with her biological clock ticking (She is 30, but still) we decided that after nearly 7 years of marriage we wanted to bring home a little bundle of love and so we did in early November. Life is radically different now, but also, life goes on so it is now 3 instead of 2 going everywhere and anywhere but it should be a fun journey together and one that we are just getting started.
But then again, kids are not everyone's cup of tea and I totally respect and understand couples that prefer not to have them and instead invest the time and money into other causes. I used to HATE when other couples with children (Mostly acquitances of ours and some family members) used to give us a hard time about us not having children during the first few years after our wedding. I never "push" into others the idea of having children. If you have them great, but if you don't, then that's very good also. That tells me that you have your life priorities in order. Nothing gives me more pain that couples that bring children into the world and they don't really want them. It is not fair to put an innocent child through that suffering. Those kids will grow up hating your guts, not a good thing!
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that kids should help enhance and make your life better not the other way around. Some people, once they have kids, they no longer do anything, go out on a short vacation, basically the kids become. so overpowering and overbearing that the parents lose totally themselves and I don't think that is a healthy approach either, if you follow my drift.
Parenting is a tough job but also a rewarding experience and if you make your best shot at being a good mom or dad, your kids will thank you for it later on.
So ChrisW, it is great to find the "perfect" balance between starting a family and getting to enjoy nice cars like our MINIs. It is doable, but perhaps not the most ideal proposition for the vast majority of folks out there
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Studog, www.IIHS.org has some interesting information on the performance of most vehicle in rear end impacts. Some mid-size sedans didn't do that well in that specific regard. I have seen some Honda Accords completely crushed in the rear, so I guess it is more a matter of actual engineering and structure strength than perceived looks.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
A lot of people think that having a trunk (Sedan shape) gives you more of a crush zone than say a Hatchback. That is not always the case. If you have a huge trunk made of tin can metal is like if you had no protection at all.
Rear protection isn't keeping pace: Cars have been earning good ratings in frontal crash tests for several years, and now improvements in side crash protection are accelerating. But the seat/head restraints in many cars still don't provide adequate protection for most people in rear-end crashes. This is the case among the cars the Institute recently tested. Every model except the Versa, classified a small car, earns a low rating of marginal or poor.
Bye Studog!!!
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Did you miss this part on the IIHS site
Rear protection isn't keeping pace: Cars have been earning good ratings in frontal crash tests for several years, and now improvements in side crash protection are accelerating. But the seat/head restraints in many cars still don't provide adequate protection for most people in rear-end crashes. This is the case among the cars the Institute recently tested. Every model except the Versa, classified a small car, earns a low rating of marginal or poor.
Rear protection isn't keeping pace: Cars have been earning good ratings in frontal crash tests for several years, and now improvements in side crash protection are accelerating. But the seat/head restraints in many cars still don't provide adequate protection for most people in rear-end crashes. This is the case among the cars the Institute recently tested. Every model except the Versa, classified a small car, earns a low rating of marginal or poor.
And that is only true if you're hit in the rear by another MINI (or similar size).
What are the odds of that? That collision will likely involve a much larger/heavier vehicle. I don't want to put people I love back there.
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Oh and the cars they owned were extra risky..crashworthiness..what's that?
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Well i guess i am the only one who agrees with C4 100%. I hate reading post after post on here about how people have to give up there cars because i have to take one for the family. Screw that. I HATE HOW PEOPLE MAKE KIDS SOUND LIKE SUCH A GREAT THING. WELL YOU KNOW SOMETHING THE MINI IS GREAT TOO AND WHEN IT TURNS 15 IT WONT TELL YOU TO GO F YOURSELF LIKE SOME KIDS WILL. life is about being happy not someone telling you what you can and can't do. why does it seem like everytime someone has to "GIVE UP THERE CAR FOR THE FAMILY" its always the man who has to give up something. I don't want kids my wife doesn't want kids, but if she ever does or we ever do i know whos car we will give up and it wont be mine. Or heres a better idea wait untill you make enough money to have both.
yes i know i will get flamed for this and i'm ok with that.
yes i know i will get flamed for this and i'm ok with that.
One thing that you guys seem to forget is that once a child enters that car it should no longer be "my car", "my decission", or "my" anything. That is a child that was created by BOTH of you and is hopefully cared for by BOTH of you. The safety of the child is the concern and responsibility of BOTH of the parents, not just the wife driving the SUV.
If STU's wife was fussing just because she didn't like the looks of the car then that's one thing, but if she doesn't feel completely safe with THEIR children in the car then she has all rights to fuss about it. From what I read she didn't feel safe with the car before he even got it.
For C4 - I would hope that if your wife all of a sudden didn't feel safe with the life of your child in the MINI that you would give up your car and worry more about the happiness and safety of your family. If leaving YOUR car alone is what brings happiness to your family then you seem to be the one that needs to seek marriage counseling.
Just to clarify, both my wife of 6 years and I feel very safe in the MINI and have no problems having our 15 month old son in the car. My wife actually liked and wanted the car before I did and she is the one that said to keep the order for it when she got pregneant. On the flip side if she all of a sudden didn't feel safe then I would be at the dealer the next day getting something else and wouldn't think twice about it. My wife and kid(s) are a lot more important than a replacable item.
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Did you miss this part on the IIHS site
Rear protection isn't keeping pace: Cars have been earning good ratings in frontal crash tests for several years, and now improvements in side crash protection are accelerating. But the seat/head restraints in many cars still don't provide adequate protection for most people in rear-end crashes. This is the case among the cars the Institute recently tested. Every model except the Versa, classified a small car, earns a low rating of marginal or poor.
Rear protection isn't keeping pace: Cars have been earning good ratings in frontal crash tests for several years, and now improvements in side crash protection are accelerating. But the seat/head restraints in many cars still don't provide adequate protection for most people in rear-end crashes. This is the case among the cars the Institute recently tested. Every model except the Versa, classified a small car, earns a low rating of marginal or poor.
Oh man, when I was growing up I never had seatbelts, rode in my mother's lap and never been in a car with seat belts until I was 15 years old. My parents were suicidal by today's standards and yet, here we are...
Oh and the cars they owned were extra risky..crashworthiness..what's that?
Oh and the cars they owned were extra risky..crashworthiness..what's that?
WELL, This thread has begun to seperate the MEN from the BOYS.
A marriage fails when one or both parites fail to SERVE the other. While I tend to agree that stu's spouse is probably acting out of her own will. But the thing a MAN learns is to not let selfish pride obstruct sacrifice.
Failure on one persons part to serve the others desires is not licence to act like a boy/girl yourself......you must still seek to set your will aside in defrence to your spouse.....Thats called sacrifice, and without it you just have two individuals competing for thie own self intrests
NOW ....A wuss is someone who is buying brand new cars on the basis of safety Most of us grew up standing in the front seat of mom's 72 pontiac, while your brother slept in the back window! We rode in the back of pick-up trucks and GASP!!! We rode bikes without helmets!!!........This whole nation is turning into a bunch of wussies if you ask me .....no trans-fats...etc....some of you act like we all don't die in the end
Quit living in a state of fear and LIVE!!!
A marriage fails when one or both parites fail to SERVE the other. While I tend to agree that stu's spouse is probably acting out of her own will. But the thing a MAN learns is to not let selfish pride obstruct sacrifice.
Failure on one persons part to serve the others desires is not licence to act like a boy/girl yourself......you must still seek to set your will aside in defrence to your spouse.....Thats called sacrifice, and without it you just have two individuals competing for thie own self intrests
NOW ....A wuss is someone who is buying brand new cars on the basis of safety
Most of us grew up standing in the front seat of mom's 72 pontiac, while your brother slept in the back window! We rode in the back of pick-up trucks and GASP!!! We rode bikes without helmets!!!........This whole nation is turning into a bunch of wussies if you ask me .....no trans-fats...etc....some of you act like we all don't die in the end Quit living in a state of fear and LIVE!!!
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Just curious because this doesnt sound like the party line.
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From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
It's all about balance
One extreme is to be as safe as possible in a crash - Drive a tank
Another extreme is to have as much fun driving as possible - Get a ariel atom
We all fall some where in between the two extremes, thus we buy the MINI, or sell it for something else. It's about piorities and what is important for us.
If I have to drive kids to/from school frequently, why would I want a MINI that the kid has to curl up their legs to sit in, plus their heads is only 6 inches from some big truck's front grille?
On the other hand, if I only take them to school like once a month, should I sacrifice the other 29 days of fun motoring just for that remote chance of someone crashing into the back of the MINI while the kids are there?
It's all about balance and your own piorities.
Sometimes people just aren't realistic in their expectations. I mean, how many pedestrians are killed every year vs cars being rear ended? Sometimes taking that "chance" with a small car isn't such a huge gamble really...
One extreme is to be as safe as possible in a crash - Drive a tank
Another extreme is to have as much fun driving as possible - Get a ariel atom
We all fall some where in between the two extremes, thus we buy the MINI, or sell it for something else. It's about piorities and what is important for us.
If I have to drive kids to/from school frequently, why would I want a MINI that the kid has to curl up their legs to sit in, plus their heads is only 6 inches from some big truck's front grille?
On the other hand, if I only take them to school like once a month, should I sacrifice the other 29 days of fun motoring just for that remote chance of someone crashing into the back of the MINI while the kids are there?
It's all about balance and your own piorities.
Sometimes people just aren't realistic in their expectations. I mean, how many pedestrians are killed every year vs cars being rear ended? Sometimes taking that "chance" with a small car isn't such a huge gamble really...
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