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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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...They ever find this guy??...

http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/1038...riple-fatality
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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Good question...I've heard nothing.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:14 PM
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Good question...I've heard nothing.
You can be sure he doesn't want to show-up in a North American Motoring thread about Mini spottings....
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 07:14 PM
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There was another post about this and from what someone said that new the driver of the Scion, the driver of the MINI is as guilty as you think so don't jump to guilty conclussions. Evidentally the Scion drivers girlfriend was behind him and saw the whole thing and claims that the MINI had absolutely nothing to do with it. I don't remember the whole story so you will have to search on it.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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if the MINI was also traveling at a high rate of speed, it had something to do with it, intentionally or not. travel the speed limit (or close to it) and stuff like this is much less likly to happen.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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He was guilty of something...or he would not have

sped off.
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that the MINI had absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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I had looked at the Scion xA before deciding to go with a Mini. In fact, had you asked me about it at the beginning of July the answer would have been "pretty sure I'm getting the Scion". I suspect the Scion in this article is actually a Scion xC but no matter...,, One of the things that turned me off about the Scion xA was the cost of car insurance. It was more than a Mini even though the typical Mini costs $8,000 to $10,000 more than a typical xA. The insurance company said it had a lot to do with the type of people who buy the respective cars, that the xA was typically driven by a much younger and less experienced driver. All else being equal, it could be why the Scion was the cause of the fatal car wreck and not the Mini, (all implied accessory to a crime aside). Or I suppose you could suggest that the Mini was the better performing car in terms of control while street racing. In either case, it's interesting that insurance rates tend to confirm this.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Racing on a major Hwy... while not thinking about the possible consquences... Hope I don't meet with that mini driver!!
 
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Giving MINI drivers a bad name.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1nf3rn0
Giving MINI drivers a bad name.
I doubt he was thinking about the reputation of Mini owners as he was engaged in his little race. Here in Kansas City we have that sort of thing all the time. It's the wild-wild west. We have more miles of urban interstate per captia than any large city in America. We also have a very high auto fatality rate since accidents here tend to be more of the spectacular varity, you know, end over end exploding cars and that sort of thing as opposed to grid-locked fender bender accidents. Never the less, I doubt many motorists here would trade gridlock traffic for fewer highway fatalities. It simply wouldn't be as much fun to drive. That said, you still have to be careful on the roads here to avoid becoming part of an automotive BBQ. We had one accident here about 5 years ago on I-29 that killed 10 motorists, almost all of them is seperate vehicles. Was snowing and the traffic didn't slow down, they were all driving 70 on half an inch of frozen highway. Turned into a chain reaction accident that was made even worse by the low visibilty until finally a gasoline tanker truck plowed into the wreck creating a fireball so bright that approaching traffic finally slowed down.

Anyway, if you want a fun urban playground for driving your Mini, you can't do better than KC. It really is a fun place to drive. As for street racing, there isn't nearly as much of that as there is car chases, at times with gunfire being exchanged at over 100mph. All of the motorists in those gridlocked metro areas have no idea how much fun they are missing. My only complaint is that the local Mini dealer does not offer an aftermarket fembot that I can mount on the roof of my Mini to return fire at passing motorists on US-71 on my daily commute.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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Just like everyone did when this story first came out you are jumping to conclusions WAY before you know the whole story. If you read the original post of the story you will find that a lot of people where convicting the MINI driver before they knew what had happened.

Original post - https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=66922

Now read the 2nd post and you will see that the two cars where not even racing and that the MINI driver was not as guilty as you are trying to make him.

2nd post-
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ad.php?t=67258

This is a perfect example of why our justice system fails so much because people don't try to get the full story before they are ready to lock you up for life.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeremy1026
if the MINI was also traveling at a high rate of speed, it had something to do with it, intentionally or not. travel the speed limit (or close to it) and stuff like this is much less likly to happen.
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He was guilty of something...or he would not havesped off.
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I don't even know where to begin.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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If they were indeed racing then in the eyes of the law the MINI was guilty in the sense that if they were not racing, the Scion would not have gone so fast making it lose control resulting in fatalities. They see the MINI as the one enticing the Scion to speed instead of it really being the Scion drivers descision. The system likes to transfer blame if the person that is to blame is now dead.

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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BE4TNUT
If they were indeed racing then in the eyes of the law the MINI was guilty in the sense that if they were not racing, the Scion would not have gone so fast making it lose control resulting in fatalities. They see the MINI as the one enticing the Scion to speed instead of it really being the Scion drivers descision. The system likes to transfer blame if the person that is to blame is now dead.

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Why is it that you still assume that they where racing, because the media said so?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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So, MINIotaple, can you clear up the story any more since you seem to know some of the people? Where the MINI and the Scion really racing or did the media have the original story wrong once again. (in case you can't tell, I don't really like the media)
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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This is shocking, but true. It doesn't matter what the make and model of the cars involved were(!) Except to the extent that if you drive a Scion your insurance rates have gone up as a result.

As for the media, have to agree no one except the drivers involved will ever know for certain what happened. If FoxNews reported it you can be certain there would be some accusation of Al Quida being somehow responsible and the only route to justice being the bombing of some 3rd world country. You can tell my opinion of the media from this post as well...
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIotaple
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I don't even know where to begin.
man, people make my head hurt. Nothing like living in a judgemental society. Hasn't anyone heard the saying "believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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Surely I'm not the only one on here who's little 'S' badge (or just driving a unique car) has caused others to want to race you? For some reason my car "entices people to race" just sitting still at stop lights, luckily I'm mature enough to let the others take off and look like fools while I gently leave the stop light.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BE4TNUT
If they were indeed racing...
Originally Posted by wilson0728
Why is it that you still assume that they where racing, because the media said so?
I never said they were racing. I stated if they were racing like the article suggested, then the reasoning as to why they are looking for the MINI. Don't be to quick on the trigger there.

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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 04:12 PM
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News reporting in my opinion is usually best relegated to the "short-story fiction" category. It's about selling advertising and nothing like a good "racy" tale to attract readers. None of us here street-race, now do we?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Deviant
Surely I'm not the only one on here who's little 'S' badge (or just driving a unique car) has caused others to want to race you? For some reason my car "entices people to race" just sitting still at stop lights, luckily I'm mature enough to let the others take off and look like fools while I gently leave the stop light.
Interesting...,, For me it is less a case of other drivers wanting to race me than other drivers with UAW stickers in the rear window trying to drive me off the road. We have both a GM plant and a Ford plant here. There about 5,000 nuerotic Ford workers here in KC (and understandably so I might add) who don't like sharing the road with smart-a** looking little imported cars with temporary tags on them. As much as I hated the idea of ponying up the sales tax money a few weeks early, I decided it was a wise move just so I could have regular plates on the car along with a little anonimity about how new the car is.

Anyone else in the rust belt have this problem with being cut-off and driven off the road? Was never a problem in my 1998 Buick Lux-O-Cruiser.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by princeofwaldo
Anyone else in the rust belt have this problem with being cut-off and driven off the road? Was never a problem in my 1998 Buick Lux-O-Cruiser.

I suggest plates that read UAW 247. Couldn't hurt. lol
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 07:11 PM
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Already gottem: 0AB 67C. Not sure if that's a zero or letter "O". Me thinks zero.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Deviant
Surely I'm not the only one on here who's little 'S' badge (or just driving a unique car) has caused others to want to race you? For some reason my car "entices people to race" just sitting still at stop lights, luckily I'm mature enough to let the others take off and look like fools while I gently leave the stop light.
You're right on the money! Every time I take my Lotus Elise out of my garage I experience exactly what you describe. I'm often reluctant to drive it knowing that many around me will start driving very aggressively.

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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Your Mini S from Baron?
 
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