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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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ACTUAL MINI Theft Rates - official results

In case anyone cares, the official results for 2003 (last tabulated year) are here ... http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles...lTheftData.pdf

The official number is 15 in the year. Now the question is ... how many of the 15 were stolen without the key and not towed
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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And how many had alarms installed? May not prevent theft, but definitely a deterrant!
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
In case anyone cares, the official results for 2003 (last tabulated year) are here ... http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles...lTheftData.pdf

The official number is 15 in the year. Now the question is ... how many of the 15 were stolen without the key and not towed
yea, i am also very interested in this number as well. I always brag about how you cant steal the MINI unless you have a truck or the key..but am i wrong?
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Let's put this in perspective before you all spend way too much energy protecting your cars. The 2003 data ranks MINI as 181st in rate per 1000 cars. 15/33255 = 0.4511/1000. That's pretty incredible. Of course there's more than 100,000 MINIs in the US now, so you can apply that rate to get 45 MINIs stolen in total. Not to deny that to the owners of those cars it was a terrible event, but statistically, we're talking a pretty sure bet you'll be parted from you MINI by accident, or sale, rather than theft!

Still, always good to take the keys with you...

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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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maybe those cars had their tow hooks on? j/k since people seem to believe that increases the chance of your car getting stolen. I made sure to paint mine red so any and all potential thieves can spot it.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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maybe those cars had their tow hooks on? j/k since people seem to believe that increases the chance of your car getting stolen. I made sure to paint mine red so any and all potential thieves can spot it.
Mine is caution orange, seem to get a little more distance when they cut me off now, but thats a different thread. I know that tow-hook thefts have increased because of that so be sure to have it permantly secured if it is permantly displayed, but any thief with a tow truck will know how to steal your car without a tow hook.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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i know of a girl that was car jacked and robbed as she was getting in her car outside a local bar.
so that's 1 for atlanta.

from my scooter board:
Our friend Soyia was car jacked Tuesday night behind Graveyard Tavern. Manyof you know her or met her at Graveyard following one of our first neighbor gatherings. She is okay and was not harmed.

She parked in the lot directly behind Graveyard and left with three of herfriends. They parked in the ACE Hardware parking lot. She said she got into her car and then a guy approached asking for money. He then put a gun to her neck and asked for the car.

Soyia drove a Mini Cooper car. They took everything, including her purse, CD's, clothes, iPod and other replaceable (but frustrating as hell to lose) items.

Soyia reported it to the folks in Graveyard and overheard them say something like, "that's the second time in two days."

Later, when talking to the police detective, Soyia confirmed that there was, indeed, an armed robbery the night before.
i haven't been able to find out more info nor did the police report it ontheir website, like they do other instances of interest. they must have an ongoing investigation.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Wagnbat
And how many had alarms installed? May not prevent theft, but definitely a deterrant!
Good question but I would bet its not as large a number as you expect. Anything that is a deterrant is always good but the question become to what end? Since alarms are ubiquitous and no one pays attention them (especially like in a Mall lot), they may scare off kids ... but not a true car thief.

But your question is valid ... MINI must have those numbers but we will never know
 
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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Tow it to steel it. Highly unlikley. I thought that the mini needed the key to start it...a little computer chip or something. Would an alarm help more than that little chip?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 02:13 AM
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Anybody know: how important is this factor in auto insurance rates?
 
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 03:22 AM
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Maybe it's the various owners who ACTUALLY leave their MINI unlocked, with the keys in it, in the garage.....

Those people are CRAZY!

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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gandini
Let's put this in perspective before you all spend way too much energy protecting your cars. The 2003 data ranks MINI as 181st in rate per 1000 cars. 15/33255 = 0.4511/1000. That's pretty incredible. Of course there's more than 100,000 MINIs in the US now, so you can apply that rate to get 45 MINIs stolen in total. Not to deny that to the owners of those cars it was a terrible event, but statistically, we're talking a pretty sure bet you'll be parted from you MINI by accident, or sale, rather than theft!

Still, always good to take the keys with you...

cheers, phil
pretty similar results for the 2002 report:
8 cars out of 17,000 or about 0.45/1000 again.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by polizei
Maybe it's the various owners who ACTUALLY leave their MINI unlocked, with the keys in it, in the garage.....

Those people are CRAZY!

-Cody
That is more common than you think.
Some high profile, supposedly secure, cars are stolen using the following technique: 1) Rip out the ignition lock. 2) remove the ECU and drop in a hacked one, 3) start the engine - the hacked ECU does not check the security key - and drive off.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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1) Rip out the ignition lock. 2) remove the ECU and drop in a hacked one, 3) start the engine - the hacked ECU does not check the security key - and drive off.

Bastards. May someone rip out and drive off with the crooks' private parts.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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If someone is going to steal your MINI it will be stolen...heck any car.

If a car thief wants it, he will get it.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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Two other easy methods:

break in the house and get the key
....or
tow the car away
 
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 02:49 PM
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Ok, I understand the keys in the house method, but how does the tow method work? I nearly always apply the parking brake, so the rear wheels won't turn all that easily and I usually park it in gear, so the front wheels won't roll easily--so they have to *drag* the car on to the tow truck? Nasty--bu then again stealing a car is pretty darn nasty, so WTF.
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Old Apr 29, 2006 | 04:04 PM
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If they are good they have a flat bed attached to the back of a truck, the flatbed has a big ol' winch, they will back up right to your car and drag it right on the flatbed. Takes less than 5 minutes and your car will be gone, then they can take hours stripping it and then dump the shell in the desert...or take the whole car to mexico and sell it real cheap. You see that a lot with bikes, You could probably buy a newer gsxr 750 for like under $2k in mexico.. :P
 
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Old May 3, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Here is a theft recovery http://www.readytofix.com/Inventory/Mini_S_03_Theft.htm
Seems like they towed this one...Check out the bumper..
 
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Old May 3, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by okraD La
Here is a theft recovery http://www.readytofix.com/Inventory/Mini_S_03_Theft.htm
Seems like they towed this one...Check out the bumper..
Bumper scraped up a bit? Will not start? Why not? ECU pulled?

Interesting.

BTW, yes a thief can steal ANY car. Having once lived in Boston area when car theft was very hard they just pick that little itty bitty car up and drop it on a flatbed ... gone.
 
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Old May 3, 2006 | 05:09 PM
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Tell me about it, both my 78 celica and my 85 corolla GTS were stolen in South FL>.....
Car thieves Suck.....
 
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Old May 4, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by gandini
Ok, I understand the keys in the house method, but how does the tow method work? I nearly always apply the parking brake, so the rear wheels won't turn all that easily and I usually park it in gear, so the front wheels won't roll easily--so they have to *drag* the car on to the tow truck? Nasty--bu then again stealing a car is pretty darn nasty, so WTF.
cheers,
They could break your window and push the shifter into neutral, too.
 
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:02 PM
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http://www.mini2.com/forum/general-d...-cooper-s.html

Stole keys after breaking into the house
 
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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Could these stats also take into account classic MiNi's (pre 2001) that don't have the newer key/ignition immobilizer circuitry?
 
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dominicminicoopers
Could these stats also take into account classic MiNi's (pre 2001) that don't have the newer key/ignition immobilizer circuitry?
NO. The government site specifically says MY2003.
 
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