right after the noise settles down and the vette slows down you see the v1 start beeping

 

Uh, isn't it everyone's duty to stop and offer statements to law enforcement when you've witnessed an accident? That's how I was taught in Drivers' Ed.

Hopefully, there is more than one witness to the accident. Otherwise, maybe the MINI wasn't even involved!

 

I think..........you'd have to have been there.

 

If the Mini wasn't racing, then there was no reason to speed away from the scene, was there?

Like it or not, the driver of the Mini is an accomplice, and to make matters worse, fled the scene. Disgusting, but fortunately the driver will be held accountable. I can't believe all the apologists for the driver of the Mini, but it is what it is.

 

Here my 10 cent, I am only 24 years old to some people I'm still a kid. I own a Car audio and peformance store in LA. I have friends that have Honda Civic that have made 600 + hp on dyno's many of them take there cars to the track but I'd lie if I told you that they never raced on the street, Not often but it has happend, But I've also see 50 year old plus older men with Heavily modded ford I mean Front Wheel lifting Ford and Chevy race where we were. The police often Go after the import cars first because there is a kid driving (its a fact) . Now with that said I know some body with a highly modd Acura full suspension that wasn't racing every body just acceleratin and deceleration trying out his new turbo, he tried to dodge something in the street the car drifted into the median which was grass and leaves, spun hit a tree the rear 2 passengers were kill instantly the front half of the car with the front seat ended back in the middle of the street and the engine ended up, I think it was 70ft from the front the car was in 3 pieces. The driver may be charged with the 2 deaths of the passengers but How much would you bet they were there egging the driver on. Car accidents happen all the time and with inexperience drives behind the wheel of any car high peformance or not it has the potential to get very bad very quick. I mention the 600+ cars eairler to make a point all of those cars are still intact while its the 100-180 hp cars that end up killing people (rather the drivers of these cars that think they have the greatest race car on the block) ( not) I feel sorry for the people in the Camery and there family I feel bad for the Driver of the Scion But I especially feel bad for the driver of the mini, as I said above the guy in the acura killed his 2 best friends, even though it was an accident the kid is only 17 and has to deal with his whole life. In the end I think it will be the person that drove the mini that needs the most help. And yes there are alot of people that cry race when 2 cars with loud exaust pass them at the same time and most of the time thats not the case.

 

Plain and simple, if the person driving that MINI was racing the Scion, or just happened to be right there when the accident happened, in the least they left the scene of an accident. That in itself is a criminal act, especially given the seriousness of this accident. Next in line would be street racing, contributing to an accident, reckless driving, etc, etc. Even if given the biggest benefit of doubt that the driver had nothing to do with the accident itself, the fact that he left is then the problem.

 

ONLY if you were somehow involved in the accident. There is absolutely no law against driving away from an accident that happened near you, or driving by an accident without stopping. That said, I would stop! (This is not accounting for racing)

EDITED: Let me clarify, PA law.

Steve

 

I'm I reading this right? You actually feel more sorry for the driver of the mini than for the family of the innocent people in the Camry? I am at a loss for words....

 

Most people aren't held responsible for failing to act. The exceptions to this are trained professionals. The grey area that has come up from time to time is those with CPR training through a work program or the like, that have not acted or acted with error, and the subject or the subjects family has gone after the person who didn't or did do the CPR.

Matt

 

I think he meant he feels worse for the MINI driver because s/he has to deal with it for the rest if their life, which is worse than any other feeling.

 

I too live in Sugar Land and am familiar with most of the MINIs in the area. I have seen one IB/W MC in the area and a EB/W also. Most of the MINIs in the area are CR, DS, PS or BRG. So it could well be that it was someone from outside of the area. At any rate, I hope who ever did it gets caught.

 

"We don't really know the story, so we can't make any assumptions" - That's all EVERYONE in this thread is doing - making assumptions. Unless you were there, it's all an assumption. Here is another assumption - the person in the Mini is motoring along at the speed limit and doesn't even know there is a Scion behind him/her. The Scion, having his doors blown off by a Mini last week, is determined to catch the Mini and show him what he's got. In the process of trying to catch up to the Mini, the Scion loses control and crashes. The Mini driver never even knew the Scion was trying to catch him/her, never knew what happened behind him/her and thus continued innocently motoring off to the homeless shelter to serve hot meals. Everyone beside and behind the Scion slammed on brakes, making it appear the Mini was "speeding off", when in reality he/she was driving smoothly and cautiously, but at the speed limit, so as not to spill the large pot of fresh soup he/she just cooked for the homeless shelter. The thought of racing never occurred to this Mini driver, given the hot soup he/she was transporting. What the hell ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?"

Do I condone street racing - not on your life, my life or any other life. If the FACTS prove that the Mini driver was street racing should they be punished - absolutely. Can any of us, except those who eye-witnessed it, thrash the Mini driver for anything, including driving off to the homeless shelter - no way.

My rant is over, you may continue with your regularly scheduled witch hunt.

 

EXCEPTIONAL post That's how I feel, I was just too lazy to type it all out.

 

Yeah, you're right, the driver of the Mini is probably completely innocent. I'm sure the police were way off base when they stated "there is definite culpability."

I can't wait to see this guy punished to the fullest extent of the law. No sympathy from me whatsoever. No way do I feel sorry for this guy; not only did he make a huge mistake, he ran from it.

 

If i had the chance to meet you, i would kiss you . Couldn't of said it better myself. Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions...and i stick by to what i said at the beginning of the thread.

 

I think that Hammer said it perfectly. Plus you must remember "Assumption's the mother of all fu**ups.

Most of the people in the this thread have proven what is wrong today. No one is innocent until proven guilty anymore. On this thread most of you are already hanging the person (old/young, man/women, who knows) when you don't even know anything about what happened.
Your going off of news reports and supposed quotes from the police that where put in the news paper. I would be willing to bet that at least one newspaper or media channel from that same area is reporting the story a little different then the article posted in this thread.
The media usually starts reporting the story before anything concrete is known about what really happened just so that they can be "The first with the story".
At least wait until they catch the person and find out what happened before you start bashing the person. If they really are guilty then please, bash them real hard all day long.

 

There are several reasons why the driver ran away without stopping
1. Driving without a licience
2. Drink driving
3. A BIG Coward
4. Unhuman
5. Man with no responsibility.
6. Racing

However if the driver is sober again and refused to own up, the guit may stay on his mind forever.

 

Here's today's update:

Sugar Land police have identified three victims who died in a Saturday accident after a driver racing another car lost control of his vehicle. Arnold Michael Jamir, 21, of Sugar Land, drove a white Toyota Scion across the center line on State Highway 6 at about 1 p.m., police said, after racing with a Mini Cooper past Sugar Land Regional Airport.

Police investigators believe Jamir plowed his car at a high rate of speed head-on into a southbound Toyota Camry occupied by Silvino C. Garcia and his wife, Teresa Hernandez, both of Houston.

The Houston couple died at the scene of the accident, police say. Jamir was flown by helicopter to Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston, and died three or four hours later, said Sugar Land Police Sgt. Chris Thompson.

 

Well, that confirms it. I was informed earlier by one of my friends that Arnold had died in a racing accident and had killed some people. I guess this takes out any question that he was the one racing the Mini.

For the forum's information, Arnold was a huge ricer. In high school, he had a civic that he had modified to a ridiculous amount. To give you an example, he had a Dragonball Z, an anime, character on the hood of his car. In addition, he even challenged me to a race back when I used to drive my Acura 3.2TL. Not only was he a ricer, he was also a dangerous driver. In high school, he raced a guy with a Saturn on highway 59, a very very heavily trafficked highway, and they were both taking the shoulders and whatnot to pass cars. I reckon that he went into the oncoming lanes to pass. That's just conjecture from knowing him though.

 

Oh my.....speechless!

 

What a waste. It's too bad this guy (and the driver of the Mini) weren't caught earlier and at the very least had their licenses revoked. Whole thing was so avoidable; it's sickening.

It's pretty clear cut that the driver of the mini is in deep. Here's hoping he'll show some spine and come clean. The driver made a terrible mistake; better to come forward late than never. It won't make what happend any better, but holding out will only make it worse...

I look at some of these arguments (he wasn't the one who lost control, etc.) like somehow that makes him innocent of any culpability. Not so. Like it or not, if he was racing (which is substantiated by several eyewitnesses) he was involved--he obviously didn't intend for his illegal (street racing) activity to kill anyone, but neither do drunk drivers intend to kill anyone when they step in their car either.

As for making "assumptions", I think it fairly presumptous that all those witnesses would be lying--the guy needs to be apprehended. I wholeheartedly agree "innocent until proven guilty," that's for the courts to decide, but if the driver of the Mini is innocent, just step forward, and clear it all up. Unfortunately I doubt that's going to happen, and the driver will probably have to be tracked down. This, by the way, hardly qualifies as a "witch hunt." I'm sure part of the reason the police gave the info they did in the article was to help find the driver; it appears they have compelling evidence in the form of eyewitness accounts (which, the last time I checked, were admissible in court). If there is enough evidence to take the driver to court (and I'm willing to wager there is), again, let the courts decide. But let the driver be brought to justice.

 

CCT1 Sorry if I was miss under stood but, KRGmini05 said what I ment. I would never want to live with the death of anyone on my hands, with that said especially not 3. May there souls and all the souls of the faitfully departed rest in peace.

 

Holy crap, talk about hitting close to home...

I would like to know what model of Scion he was driving, I mean there are like a few different types.

WOW I can't believe that someone here actually knew any of the people involved, that's crazy. It's sucks no matter what side of the page you're on. Three people are no longer with us. NO MATTER HOW IRRESPONSIBLE, WRECKLESS, DANGEROUS or anything else they were, they were people most of all, they undoubtedly had families and people in their lives that loved them, and now are mourning their passing.

This still seems odd, but never the less backs up my thought that the person driving the MINI, which I have almost no respect for based on the immaturity of their actions, is not the sole cause of this horrific accident. Blaming everything on him, will do nothing but make the situation worse and cause more injustice and pain than there already is. But let me ask YOU this. IF, IF, IF, you had the immaturity to race someone, not on the track, during heavy traffic, and the opponent wrecked catastrophically do you really think you would stop and "See if everyone's alright?" I doubt it. I don't care if you're Sally Goodytwoshoes, or gods gift to earth, you are still human, and you would be scared sh!tless. This is a tragedy and should be treated as one, Three human beings are gone, that is sad. It is sad the immaturity would lead to innocent lives lost. I say we just stay quiet and keep our further opinions to ourselves. Peace is something we need to promote and while I believe in this case the other driver should get punished, I don't believe in cruel and unjust punishment when he really did not do anything physically to cause the accident, and I really don't think they deserve more than what they'll recieve if ever caught. They made a bad decision just like we all do, but it is over and in the past, we can't change it what we can change is how it is treated in the future and preventing something like this from happening again.

Thank you and have a nice night.

Mikey

 

No problem--I see what you meant; just didn't catch it the way it was written. Sometimes exact meanings/emotions are hard to determine on a sterile message board. After simmering down and rereading the posts, I'm sorry if I read something into yours that wasn't intended, as obviosly it wasn't.

Having had a close family member--a child, and an innocent bystander--killed by someone racing a motorcycle in a residential neighborhood, this hits a bit close to home--really don't want to create an argument; I'm just a bit bothered by an almost nonchalance in some of the posts to what happend, and the Mini driver's purported role in it.

And, since I have a sneaky suspicion that the above post may be in part directed toward me I, for one, am not blaming the Mini driver soley. But if what the eyewitnesses said was true, the driver does at least partially share the blame; some posts seem to want to absolve him/her completely wether he was racing or not. As for myself, I have honestly never raced anyone. And yes, I WOULD stop (and always have) at an accident, wether I caused it or not. I have to be able to sleep at night...Being scared is a poor excuse for doing a morally reprehensible thing. I agree with you in thatI think most people would have been scared, but I disagree with you that people most would have at least stopped (Probably virtually anyone who was innocent, and most people who were guilty). And yes, you can believe what you want to believe, and be bothered if I attack what you believe, and then go on to attack what I believe (which ironically you have); it is your right. It does leave me feeling empty though, at some of the line of reasoning I've seen in this thread. Whereas you'd think people would be outraged by this behavior, instead they are apologizing for it, or even attempting to rationalize it. It's a sad commentary; but I'll leave it at that.

I'm done here--won't post in this thread anymore, so by all means have the last word--there's really nothing more for me to say. I hope I haven't been too "rude" or "hypocritical". I can occasionally be rude, but unfortunately I'm not very good at being hypocritical...And, by chance if this was directed toward myself, I'm anything but "immature" or "irresponsible"--if you only knew...

 

Amen Mickey, I'm with you, I'm 45 years old and have been racing on the street since I was 16 and not only cars, whatever has wheels, Concrete mixer trucks loaded, gravel trucks, Corvettes, Camaros, street rods, Hondas, you name it I raced it, anyone who wanted a piece of me, I raced, I even drove drunk, in those days it was common, atually I was not a drinker like my friends used to be, they were drinking every week, I don't drink but I had a few beers at friends places when I was young and I got behind the wheels like they did, I even street raced while drunk, it was the way it was where I came from, never got an accident, not even a scratch on my car, my dad was the same way, 4 kids in the car going to grand-ma at 120 mph every weekends he even had bald tires with the cords sticking out, and we never used seat belts, my sisters were fighting in the back seat and he would try to stop them while driving 120, it was just the way it was.
I stopped racing a few years ago after almost getting caught, a friend of mine got caught and had his car seized, then our police dep. bought a chopper and started going after street racers, so I quit, I didn't want them to touch my car, but I never hurt anyone and since I was brought up that way, I didn't know any better but now with the internet and see the consequences and all the horror stories that we hear, I don't want even feel like doing this, I learned to use my cruise control in order to stay within the posted limit and after reading all these posts, I put myslef in the shoes of the MINI driver and I know it could have been me and the more I try to put myself in his shoes and the more I read the coments posted on here, the more I realize what he must think if he is also reading this and this is a good wake up call for all of us, why was I spare, I don't know but if I was to write every stupid thing that I have done, nobody on this list would ever talk to me again, I survived and never hurt anyone in the process and I'm sure glad because you guys really made me feel how bad and how glad I never hurt anyone but mostly you gave me one more reason for not doing this ever again, I will always think from now on, how about if the other guy can't drive, how about if he hit someone and I have to take responsabilty for our actions, this thread just shook the hell out of me, it is my biggest wake up call, I never thought about being responsible for the ohter driver as much as for myself, now I can see that even if I don't hit anything, I'm just as responsible if the other guy does and this is serious, I never thought about it this way and 99% of the time, I had never met the other driver, I didn't know if he was sober, didn't even know if he had stolen that car, but now there will always be that what if???
So here, you've got it, hit me if you like, it won't change what I've done, hate me if you like, I don't know you and you don't know me, throw me in the slammer all you want, it won't change a thing, what is done is done and I'm thankful I never hurt anyone in the process, now can you please wait for the facts before accusing this guy, maybe he didn't even see the crash, maybe the MINI was a stolen car, just wait and see, there is nothing we can do or say until then, maybe the MINI driver hanged himself after reading this, does that make you any better? think about it and wait for the facts.