Whoever caused this wreck and left the scene is a criminal and should be treated as such. I have NO sympathy for this person, but I have tremendous angst and sorrow for the families of those killed by this person.

 

So what's illegal? I never really know. I just figure that I'll deal with it when the time comes.

 

Okay let me present my opinion on these matters as I have dealt with this for a long time. First thing, you have to remember before all but blaming this entire thing on the person(s) in the MINI, that while he helped matters by racing this kid, HE (OR SHE) DID NOT IN ANY WAY MAKE THE DECISION FOR HIM. The dead kid is solely responsible. HE made the decision. Even so, that does not let the MINI driver off the hook. If caught he should be given extreme tickets for the offenses committed. Speed Contest, Wreckless Endangerment, Wreckless Driving, etc, the list goes on and on, eventually getting to the point where his license would get taken away for a pre-determined amount of time.

Secondly I would like to address a concern that I have always had. Everyone seems to think only kids do this. That couldn't be farther from the truth. While I will openly admit that many of my peers with souped up cars do, many of my good friends in fact, that doesn't in anyway mean that ALL kids do, and "stupid kids" are the ones at fault in EVERY such offense. Several of my friends have recieved HUGE tickets and even jailtime for their offenses. My friend Paul served three days in the local Juvenile Justice Center for 168mph in a 45mph Zone in his Supra TT. I mean EVERYONE was young at one point in their life. Everyone has done stupid, irresponsible things with their vehicles. WE ARE ALL HUMAN. A very good example is while I was on spring break, my friend and his girlfriend were going to the movies one afternoon, in his dad's 03 Cobra, which is hopped up and pushing around 470-500 horses, he came to a stoplight and so did a Lingenfelter Camaro. The guy driving the camaro revved his engine and ended up losing control and flipping into a parking lot adjacent to the road. Rory, even in a hot car, did not do anything to provoke the situation, and he's 17. The driver of the Lingenfelter? 52. (Pics of what remains of the Camaro are attached.) Im not saying street racing is good by any means and I don't intend to come off negatively, confrontational, as flaming, or against any other rule on NAM, my own cousin has died from a street racing accident. It's sad, but immaturity DOES kill. All I'm trying to say is that kids aren't the only ones being immature: http://videos.streetfire.net/categor...C1C4AECD8F.htm

Conclusion: The person(s) in the MINI are not the ones at fault in this horrific accident. They did not jump into the guy in the Scion's head and make the decision for him. Kids are not the only ones that street race! Everyone has done stupid, irresponsible things including me, you, and everyone you know. Saying that only kids do it is far from the truth.

Mikey

 

I would have to disagree. He was speeding. He, more likely then not, egged the other driver on. Say the MINI driver was the one who was speeding first. If he was not speeding, the Scion would not have wanted to race. Or vice versa. Either way, a race involves 2 people, both of whom are equally responsible for their actions.

 

The person in the MINI did not kill the people. That's all I'm going to say, because it's truth and nothing else will hold up in court. Saying anything else is just speculation, and it's pointless and stupid to argue over speculation.

 

I think the person in the MINI should be charged for illegal street racing...but I dont think they should be held accountable for the deaths of the 2 people in the Camry.

It was prob some kid that was doing what 80% of most typical kids do (racing), he found himself in a horrible situation, got scared, and sped off.

Is this really deserving of life in prison or some of the other punishments some of you have suggested?

This could've happend to anyone stupid enough to race (which is a LOT of people).

 

I agree

However, I do feel horrible about what happened.

 

Well said!!!!! I agree.
Jim

 

some cuplability. The other driver chose his or her actions. But the death of the innocents is on the doorstep of both the racers.... Sad day indeed.

Matt

 

We obviously do not know the facts. It may be that the person(s) in the MINI caused the fatal wreck, it may be that they had little to do with it. This is a matter for the police and prosecutor to determine. The fact that the MINI left the scene does not bode well for whomever was driving it. Very sad, but this is what can happen when responsability and common sense are absent. My sympathies to the families of those whose lives were lost in this tragedy.

 

just a quick word to everyone saying the guy/girl in the mini is the worst person on earth...

I have never heard so much hypocritical comments on NAM to date...


how can someone with a 300WHP worth of mods in his sig say something like "the person in the Mini was speeding so it's his/her fault all this happened"

give me a break!

 

Great idea... just needs some work on the wording. I'd put one on my MINI.

 

I was in Sugar Land (in my IB/W MC) on Saturday. It was much earlier in the day than this accident and I had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. I wonder if I'll get a call from an investigator.

It's a terrible thing and I feel so bad for the family of the people in the Camry.

 

I agree with you man. Everyone has their own free will. Regardless of what the MINI was doing in the situation, the Scion was speeding, lost control, and recked. If you guys feel like it was provoked, then this is a sad day for humanity. People shouldn't be influenced by others. But, I guess if the driver of this MINI strapped a bomb to himself, the Scion owner would do it too.

What's sad is that two innocent people were killed in this. The Scion owner was in control of his own destiny. The MINI owner, at most, should be charged for street racing...if that is even what he was doing.

Jonathan

 

I think you missed Chili's point, many here have jumped to the conclusion that the person in the MINI was a young male, and for all we know it was somebodys Grandma driving the MINI. I too have witnessed older drivers (38, 58) engage in irresponsible behavoir get and caught. We also don't know who instigated this, what speed they were travelling at or what caused one of the drivers to loose control, and even the racing bit is an assumption, could have just been two people with loud exaushts pacing each other on the highway making noise form being 1 -3 gears where they usually cruise, that would have looked like racing that the witnesses reported. Agreed it both a responsible for their own actions and the Scion driver paid with their life, as I said before, and the driver of the MINI should be held responsible for their role.

I by no means condone street racing and I take my need for speed to the track every time no BS. What happened was sad, but calling the MINI driver names, and condeming them off of a news report is highly uncalled for and downright suprising from this Forum.

A little something to remember for those respond to this story:
Again for all the details we have it is a very real possiblity that this person is a NAM member.

 

I'm confused as to why the amount of mods someone has makes them a hypocrite for being horrifed at this tragedy? The person with the mods may very well be a responsible driver who does his/her fast driving at a track.


Annette

 

Man, woman, young, old, I dont really care. They were both seen doing something that looked like racing. Wether or not they actually were doesn't matter. What matters is that the driver of the Scion wasn't paying attention to what they were doing. More likely then not distracted by the MINI driver. I know that this is pure conjection on my part, but it is something that is plausible. Maybe some things on this board have been disrespectful to the driver of the MINI, but if the MINI driver had stayed at the scene, he would have more respect from people on here.

 

what happened happened...

my views...

kid in scions is an idiot who can't control his car...
guy in mini was in wrong place wrong time...
same for the victims...

you can't say the kid wouldn't have found some honda or just took off all nuts by himself...

only way you can blame the mini is if he rammed the scion across the highway....

 

Oh okay, so if any of you see an accident from now on, stop immediately and everyone stay at the scene, so you can have respect from NAM.

I'm terribly sorry for the sarcasm, but think about it for a second. If you were driving down the road and someone crashed, do you expect yourself or anyone else to stop the entire highway so they can "stick around" at the scene of the accident?

 

I am assuming, for the entire thread, that the person was racing, or somehow involved. I don't expect someone to stop that wasn't involved, unless it is to help, which I have done before.

 

I think that's the problem a couple of us are disagreeing on here. There is no proof that the MINI was racing the Scion. Only a news reported story...with witnesses...and we all know how reliable witnesses are...

And yes, I would stop to help someone if I could make a difference without getting in someone's way. By the time authorities and medical teams are there, civilians would just get in their way. But if the crash just happened, and it looked like I could help someone, then by all means I'd try to help.

Everyone also has to realize that the MINI driver may have been in shock. Maybe the driver didn't do anything to provoke the crash. Maybe he/she just saw it happen and was terrified at the sight and called it in anonymously. We don't really know the story, so we can't make any assumptions.

 

That was a pretty sweet vid of the viper and the vette. (sorry if of topic, but the vid was in this topic)

 

I agree w/ BoCRon. How much HP you have doesn't determine whether you are a responsible driver or not. But I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the MINI driver.

This is a sad story.

 

from when i started reading this thread, i had the views like that of MIFIT. you cant by ANY means blame the deaths on the driver of the MINI... by that logic, anyone here who has EVER races, even slightly, could potentially be guilty of murder(or whatever you would consider it). Yes, racing is illegal, and if found and proven guilty, tickets may be warrented. this guy did NOT commit murder. I wonder where these guys were racing that caused him to lose control of his car.

the only other problem that sticks out to me is that the owner of the MINI fled the crash scene. this, to me, is definitely not cool. for all we know, they were alive and not beyond saving. Not saying he let them die, but i dont know how I could flee the scene when, for all i know, someone will die if i do not intervene.

 

More opinions than facts. :impatient
I've seen 2 cars racing before where one of the 2 cars had took the off-ramp 5 minutes before the other car crashed and because one lady said that car was racing, it was on the news as such and she told what the other car looked like and they too accused him of not remaining at the scene, well he was never at the scene, he was seen racing the car involved in the crash 10 miles prior to the crash and I saw them too but I also saw the other car leaving the highway at least 5 miles prior to the crash, there was no race when the crash occured, 2 cars were racing, yes, one driver went his way and the other keep driving fast and that's what I saw but when I saw the news, I couldn't believe it, I was so pissed off, I called the cops and told them what I had seen, they came to my work and made me write down my version, that lady never saw the other car taking the off ramp and when she got to the scene didn't even know the other car was no longer there but her story changed all the facts, she didn't like what she saw so she had to stop and complain, I stopped to help but there was already enough people on the scene, if I wouldn't have called the cops to tell them the other car was no longer racing, who knows how it would have turned, they were not really racing either, the car involved in the crash was speeding the ohter guy sped up, caught up to him and they passed a few cars going maybe 20-30 mph above the posted speed limit and one guy went his way while the other carried on but the old lady was probably going 20 mph bellow the speed limit and she didn't like what she saw and when she got to the scene, it was her version of the story.
So about this story, do I have an opinion? NOPE!!!!, why??? I wasn't there and I didn't see what happen, if the MINI driver did something wrong, it's up to the judge to decide, not me as far as the Scion, it must have a black box with a record of the last few seconds, I'm sorry for the innocent people in the Camry and even more so for their families but that's about all I can say.