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Old Nov 9, 2022 | 05:36 PM
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Timing chain tool DIY

Hi all

Was after measurements for a DIY tool to do my timing chain. The tool in NZ is quite expensive and its no use buying one from overseas as i will likley never use it again - well, at least for a while. the tool itself will cost me NZ3 - 400, and that is a lot for a one off use.

So my questions are:

Do you even need a tool or can you get by without? I've worked on twin cam toyotas and was able to get by without a tool. This is a single cam motor. So can I? If so, how?

If i really must have a tool, what are the measurements of the tool? I figure i can make one from some box steel and a couple of bolts. If someone has a tool, would they mind sending me the measurements?

Any help or advice will be great.

TIA

 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 05:14 AM
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That price seems steep. Much cheaper over here, not sure what shipping would be:

https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_In...L-026420SCH01A
https://www.outmotoring.com/mini-coo..._tool_set.html
 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 08:13 AM
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I read somewhere, and I can't find the link. That he put his gear in 6th, used 2 screw drivers in the slot of brake rotors so it won't move, ( like you're changing crank pulley). Maybe an assistant to step on brakes as backup. Of course, you have to mark the timing with paint before anything else.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 11:34 AM
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Ok yes makes sense. But why 6th gear? Why not 1st gear?

great help, thanks heaps!
 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bush Mechanic
Ok yes makes sense. But why 6th gear? Why not 1st gear?

great help, thanks heaps!

From mod mini " 6th for everything. High gear to increase gearing resistance. Lower gears would easily overcome the braking force."
 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 02:14 PM
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Awesome info! I have ordered the chain kit and will sort it soon as it arrives
 
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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 06:29 PM
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The only thing you really need is the piece that holds the cam gear in place (the thing in the middle of the picture). I have one I’m using right now (doing a HG). But I can get you the measurements so you can make your own. Let me

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Old Nov 10, 2022 | 07:03 PM
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Yes please, measurements would be great. in particular the diameter and length of the pins, their distance apart, and the distance from the top of the head to the hole centers.
 
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Old Nov 12, 2022 | 08:37 AM
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Hi @Bush Mechanic
here is a drawing w measurements. Time to grab the welder



You don’t need to make it slope from the center out to the ends. A piece of flat stock should be fine. And I don’t think the height makes any difference. The only critical measurements (IMO) are the placement of the pins and the center hole. Good luck.

oh. Forgot to measure the distance from the bottom edge to the top of the center hole. It is 23.7mm

And (for reference) distance from center of pin to pin is 46mm
 
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Old Nov 13, 2022 | 12:25 AM
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Hi @TRagic

I cant see any of the pics you have sent. Where do i find these?
 
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Old Nov 13, 2022 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bush Mechanic
Hi @TRagic

I cant see any of the pics you have sent. Where do i find these?
they're photos of hand drawings he did after making measurements; maybe you can switch to a different browser or cycle your VPN and see if they show up then.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2022 | 08:42 AM
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If you can’t see this pic, PM me w your email and I can try that way
 
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Old Nov 13, 2022 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by isk
I read somewhere, and I can't find the link. That he put his gear in 6th, used 2 screw drivers in the slot of brake rotors so it won't move, ( like you're changing crank pulley). Maybe an assistant to step on brakes as backup. Of course, you have to mark the timing with paint before anything else.
^^ This ^^
The only reason I own the tool was for the times I didn't have someone around to put a foot on the brake for when the car was in the air. (Wheels on the ground, just high gear will do it)
Plus it was only beneficial for the GF's car, mine has an Adjustable Cam Gear and the holes in the gear are covered up.
(That and when I looked it was only $30 ish on Amazon for a kit that included it, that unfortunately probably isn't one of your options)

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Old Nov 13, 2022 | 05:38 PM
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Have to say it was very helpful when I needed to torque the cam bolt. 70+ lbs. i don’t have any assistants anymore. They went to college
 
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