469 ftw

 

The 469 does indeed seem to get universal praise.

Although I'm also curious about the EW02,
has anyone over here ran one of those?

https://www.exclusiveworkshops.co.uk...ft-to-suit-r53

I'm now questioning my choice of PH2, but I'll go ahead and install it to see how it goes.

Will I definitely have to ding my spark plug tubes?

I haven't seen reports regarding other cams needing the tubes dinged, is this because PH2 is high lift while others more prominently effect duration?

 

the 469 helps me put down 318 whp. RMW BVH TVS900 24PSI Link E85 etc Molnar Rods Alejnadro pistons



Dinging the tubes takes all of 3 seconds per tube. Way overrated by Thumper and his gang of poor perfomrers.

 

I have no allegiance to either camp but I honestly find the endless bickering between factions which always seem to crop up in threads like this to be a tedious bore.

Anyway,
I had forgot the tube ding thing and then momentarily sweated the hassle but was quickly put at ease reading a few threads on NAM detailing how simple the process is.

Also read a report from a guy who didn't ding his tubes where the lobe ate through one by banging against it and I'm thankful he shared that experience --- one reason why I so highly value NAM is the rich archival content that has saved my azz more than once as far as tips tricks & advice.

My goal at this time is only to gain a bit of added oomph! and not outright raw power in the upper ranges.

Your car sounds like a beast, that's a fantastic whp number for a supercharged R53!

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Sorry I didn't mean it like that. In fact I think Jan is a douche bag and thumper is special. I only said that as it was part of his marketing to say you didn't need to ding the tubes with his stuff. Nothing more than that. Sorry if it seemed like that.


My car is stupid fun. Os 1.5 locker and twin disc. It's really fun and honestly any more torque or power wouldn't be worth a **** on the street as its at its limits now.


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So glad to read your response, sorry that I may have misinterpreted what you said, my apologies.

Stupid good fun sounds like a total blast!
I bet it absolutely screams all the way to the redline!

Not an easy trick to get that kind of power from s/c either.


Did you start out with the 469, or did you try other cams also?

 

Yes the catcam 469 seems to be pushed quite a bit across the pond and for good reason. the numbers are quite good but it seems to be quite aggressive cam for a daily driven and thats the reason i myself settled for the newman ph2. The ew02 seems like a very nice cam with some great specs from the info I was given on another forum when i was looking at cams. I had my eye on it , but in the end price is what factored me into purchasing the newman ph2.

With my newman I definetely had to ding the tubes as I was unconfortable at how close the lobes were to the tubes. Its not a huge deal. watch mod mini video on cam swap and u will get the idea. I did end up dinging tube " too much " so I had to grind down a spark plug socket to fit in there now, lol. I think they sell thin wall sockets , but not sure if it would work. Better be safe than sorry and ding the tubes a little .

I will say that I have been having issues with car running high negative stft for some reason after my newman ph2 since I installed it . Still trying to figure out if it is another mechanical issue with my r53 or a cam defect . Just make sure to double check cam number when u receive it and to compare key pin location is at right location before swapping it out .

 

I used the catcam turbo cam 1 and 2 and the tarmac rally. But the 469 gave me the best mid range punch on the pipe. In the end is it fast...er I guess maybe for a mini? Is it fun? YES. Are other things faster and even faster with less money? Yes. I have a 500whp ej6 that will walk my Mini. But its a basic eco box handles like poo in comparison etc. I don't really race anyone. Sometimes I put people in their place if that makes sense but at 43 and as someone who has done prison time for street racing....I am good.


Rb26 powered 73 240z thats been shaved. That is my true fun car. Before Rb it was a triple Mikuni Blow through analog turbo setup with a vintage 80's HKS surge tank among other things. Not an easy find but back in the day were a dime a dozen on yahoo auctions japan.

 

The tuner wars are long over thumpers retiring and Jan is dropped off the net most of the followers moved on to other platforms there's only a few of the old trolls left, And they're mostly on a particular Facebook group..

The big difference between the cams is the base circle That's why thumpers don't have to have the tube dinged.

I did not have to ding my spark plug tubes for my pH2 or my pH3. Do not use a pH3 on a stock ECU, there's so much overlap it's very hard to drive, it can be done for track car but if you're going to drive around on the street at all it's pretty awful. It was a really fun cam on the track though

 

Many thanks for the pointers, and the warning about "over dinging" --- when I looked it up came across a post where someone suggested inserting a spark plug socket before the *ding* and that seems good advice so the impact won't go too far.


Yeah, I was swayed by the bargain price of PH2 as well, plus it seems to fit my particular parameters for usage at this time and it is generally well-regarded. But the EW02 does indeed look like a good cam, and the guy who developed it is a cool dude who writes long in-depth posts and just has a good knack for explaining things as well, came across many of his posts while researching the various options and enjoyed reading his view/opinion/experience with things.

Somewhat alarming to hear of high negative stft you've been experiencing after install --- I would have no idea probably if that happened on mine because I'm a neandethral and don't do logging, really I need to get with the times LOL such info is crucial to know.

 

Yeah, it's kinda crazy the amount of work required to make these things moderately quick when compared to other platforms.

Dude, that is a seriously badazz 240! Great color choice too! Had a buddy in the wayback who had a 260 that I helped work on frequently so he let me drive it a good bit, it was just stock but still really fun and I loved the feel of cockpit too, he had Centerlines with Mickey Thompsons and it looked sexy --- sadly he ended up fishtailing into a telephone pole in the rain and it was too much crunched to fix...

...but those were the times when such cost may have seemed ridiculous, never in a million years did I think that the vintage car market would be so bonkers, so many times I look at BaT and just go HOLY SHIZ! over and over again these last 18 or so months because people are paying crazy money...


https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-toyota-celica-8/

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Sometimes it's funny reading those old "tuner war" threads, but man does it get old pretty quick.


Thanks for the cam description feedback.

 

I tune these cars and I wouldn't worry about a short-term correction. Weather and fuel alone will make significant shifts in your short-term trims. If you have long-term trim adjustments I would consider getting a retune

 

Hey Mr Blah - Are you using Adrian and MPPS for your tunes? Do you have AFR logs? How are you logging? thanks,

 

I have used Adrian in the past and I tune myself now with winols.

I use filipe frango's software to log

 

oh got it, thanks.

 

Yes some suggest dingging the tubes with a socket in it already. My issue was that I did that and the socket got stuck inside for a little, so I redid it without the socket. No biggie, I just ground a socket down a little .

Yes the guy who supplies that ew02 cam is a good dude and has quite a bit of experience and in depth posts . Perhaps I will consider it in the future, as so far I am not very happy with this newman ph2 .

Dont let the stft issues I mentioned scare you away from the newman ph2. Many people still recommend it and run it as daily driver cars. It has a good power band range for daily, and also it is a cam that doesn't really force you to upgrade valve springs, etc .
my fueling issue could be unrelated to the cam , but I am still trying to find out. I have read on some posts that once in a while someone may end up with a cam which just doesn work well. Also from what I have gathered it seems that some pre-facelift ecus may not respond too well to some upgrade cams . Not sure if its a hardware or limited mapping issue.

 

Yes u are correct mr.blah, unfortunately its been a real headache trying to figure out what is going on . High negative stft and negative long term also. Dont feel confortable with the numbers and def not normal . Am working on having tune adjusted after afr guage and having mechanic look over the car .

 

Sorry to hear that the PH2 isn't working out for you, that is a big bummer. My car has the JCW 210 map and I've also read reports of certain cams not playing well with it either, so guess I'll find out soon enough. Actually curious to see how the powerband shifts.

I'm really horrible at maths and all the various numbers/degrees associated with cams just make me sort of crosseyed, I mean I can grasp what they mean but can't really visualize what they actually do, I much prefer to see the graph and wish that manufacturers all cohered to a universal standard of measurement where comparison between all the different profiles would be made easier to distinguish.

It's neat to see the CatCam graphs:







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Seeking advice ~

Since I will be getting my car tuned after the install, I think it is important that I should get an A/F ratio gauge.

At first I wanted an analog style because oldschool bias preference, but they're hard to find and I'm not sure that it'd be easy to read on the go either...

...the more common digital gauges offer easier at-a-glance legibility, so I veered in that direction. I like the Ballenger unit the best but $$$ so thought about getting the similar NTK AFX:

https://www.ngk.com/ntk-90067-afx-ai...io-monitor-kit

Is the NTK unit a good choice?

 

What logger are you going to use? Filipes works with AEM and innovate, I own both, the AEM works better but it doesn't come with the serial cable you'll have to make one or buy one

 

I was only planning on using the gauge as a telltale indicator while driving to let me know if whoah! it's runnin' lean or whatnot.

I am seriously computer illiterate.

I do not even own a laptop.

If there is a simple app or device that does logging and is dumbazz-proof, I'd be interested in that.

I do have Torque Pro app and seen those logs, but can barely decipher the wall of numbers, mostly only used it to see how my boost pressure was doing.

Explain It To Me Like I'm 5 would be required for me to understand! LOL

 

Oh well that's always an option you can also video your log as long as the video captures the RPM and the AFR it's better than nothing, but to really tune you need to have the spark and knock I'm the only way to do that is a dedicated logger like Felipe's windows app
Still a video is better than nothing. I like to run my cars 11.4 to 11.6 from 4000 to 7200. I've tried leaner and I've tried fatter but the power is much different. I also advance the timing a good bit I'm running 31° on my JCW running methanol