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Old Aug 12, 2018 | 06:33 PM
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Tuner question

I have a 05 MCS with cold air intake, 15% supercharger pulley, MSC coil and 8 mm wires and now I want to add a tune to take advantage of the additions.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2018 | 06:39 PM
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I think you meant to say you have an MSD coil coil which is the first thing I would would remove and put the OEM stock coil back on. The coil is not going to give you anything over the OEM coil that is on many cars that over 300 WHP.

When it comes to custom tuning the R53 you don’t need to look any further than Jan at RMW. http://www.revolutionmini.com/
 
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Old Aug 12, 2018 | 07:53 PM
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Do I send my ECU to Jan for tuning
 
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Old Aug 13, 2018 | 12:00 AM
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No. You have a couple options.
1 buy the flash tool from RMW then you can set up a time with Jan to take your car to a dyno where he can do a remote tune for you
2 depending where you are there may be a tuning event where Jan comes out and tunes a bunch of cars over a 2-3 day period. This is what I did several years ago.
one thing you need to do before getting a tune is larger injectors. The stock S ones are 340 and pretty much maxed out already. I recommend upgrading at least to the JCW which is 380. If you are planning more mods then opt for the larger injectors from RMW.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2018 | 03:04 AM
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Jan might rent you the tool, never hurts to ask.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2018 | 10:20 AM
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Do I send my ECU to Jan for tuning

No, he can tune your car remotely. Just give him a call for details.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2018 | 02:59 PM
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I have his tune. You download the existing ecu data and email it to him along with a list of any engine modifications you have. He will then create a tune and email it back to you. You then download it.

I did remove the power steering fuse and disconnected my headlights to minimize battery drain while the new tune is loading. There may be some hiccups but he works with you.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2018 | 05:26 PM
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You can also use Bytetronik who can do custom remote tunes also.

The advantages to the Bytetronik is you are not locked to a tuner, The FA software can reset adaptives, sync the immobilizer, and a few other helpful items.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2018 | 09:01 AM
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Would you recommend I use JCW injectors (380) or go with a Bosch unit (440).
 
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Old Aug 14, 2018 | 08:12 PM
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Would you recommend I use JCW injectors (380) or go with a Bosch unit (440).
Depends on your mods. Our customers typically go straight to the Bosch 550s. We have a package daeal (FA53 self-tuning kit with Bosch 550cc injectors for $795).
 
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Old Aug 15, 2018 | 02:38 AM
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You don't need a tune to "take advantage" of the mods. You would want a tune if you are trying to extract more power or smooth things out. But also keep in mind if you are going to do more mods you should do the mods first then get a tune with everything on it. That way you don't have to retune each time you change it.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2018 | 06:04 PM
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I want to get 210hp and that looks like I should copy the JCW setup

So I have the:
1 - CAI
2 - 15% supercharger pulley
3 - new E3 plugs and wires

I should have:
1 - better intercooler
2 - 380, 440 or 550 fuel injectors

after the “should have” mods a tune would be required to bring the package together
 
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Old Aug 15, 2018 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by speedman
I want to get 210hp and that looks like I should copy the JCW setup

So I have the:
1 - CAI
2 - 15% supercharger pulley
3 - new E3 plugs and wires

I should have:
1 - better intercooler
2 - 380, 440 or 550 fuel injectors

after the “should have” mods a tune would be required to bring the package together





You don’t need E3 plugs, MSD coil or Special wires. OEM parts work best and stay with OEM NGK plugs. You may want one step cooler with a 15% pulley.

Also no one is locked out of any ECUs even with Jan from RMW. He does not lock ECU’s or any other BS people talk about. If you don’t know how to tune a cars ECU you should not buy a self tuning software kits from any vendor. With JAN / RMW you get free upgraded tunes when you make upgrades like an RMW CAM, or the best Big Valve Head on the market for the R53 hands down.

The OEM I/C is fine unless you upgrade to the OEM GP I/C. All the other aftermarket ones are good for only a dyno run or two and suffer heat soak and do not recover as fast as the OEM one. Don’t waste money on a I/C.

As as far as injectors go, just make the jump to 550’s now and it will be one less thing you need to upgrade later. They just need to be scaled and the car will run fine and that can be done while the custom tune is done.




 

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Old Aug 15, 2018 | 07:06 PM
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A couple of things to remember/consider:

1,) The JCW head flows about 20 more cfm of air than the stock S head. It is no where near a Big Valve head that flows almost 80 more cfm.
2.) The JCW does have an upgraded exhaust system.
3.) The JCW pulley is around 11.5% smaller than the S pulley so with your 15% you will be spinning the supercharger about 400 rpms faster at redline that will make more boost. The thread below has spreadsheets and graphs on the supercharger and pulleys. There are smaller pulleys out there and Way Motors even has a 16%. The rule of thumb on boost (there are other variables that come into play) is that if you increase the boost by 15 psi you double the horsepower. The thread below also discusses the heat that the additional supercharger revs will produce as well as what some may call "wives tales."

The "tuner instrument" usually can only handle one ECU and that ECU is "imprinted" on it. Most have no way to "clear" the imprint. Any body with the correct connection and knowledge can re-program the ECU.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...and-boost.html
 
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Old Aug 15, 2018 | 08:48 PM
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The only thing you might want to add to your mod list is a cat back exhaust. With those mods you should be right around 175-180 whp without a tune and 200whp with one. The biggest thing with the tune is the driveability of the car. It just pulls so smooth all the way up to redline. Different sized pulleys won't make a difference in power really. It'll move your powerband however. The smaller the pulley the lower the powerband. I ran a 17% for several years with no problems. Never tracked or autocrossed the car but ran it to red line quite often.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2018 | 08:28 AM
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Thanks guys for the great information. I think I have direction to go now
 
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