R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 Slicktop Premium?

Old Jan 6, 2017 | 08:47 AM
  #1  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Slicktop Premium?

My wife has a cabrio and I'm thinking of getting a hardtop for me. How much of a premium, if any, do hardtops with sunroof delete sell for?

Thanks in advance!

A top like this:



no sunroof
 

Last edited by ChiR52; Jan 6, 2017 at 11:57 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:14 AM
  #2  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Hardtops?
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:24 AM
  #3  
rkw's Avatar
rkw
OVERDRIVE
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 8,233
Likes: 127
From: San Francisco
What's a "slicktop"? A hardtop? I guess you don't mean this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slicktop

The original MSRP was $3500 premium for the convertible over the hardtop.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:25 AM
  #4  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Yep, my guess also.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:27 AM
  #5  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by rkw
What's a "slicktop"? A hardtop? I guess you don't mean this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slicktop

The original MSRP was $3500 premium for the convertible over the hardtop.
I mean hardtop with sunroof delete. Question has been edited.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:35 AM
  #6  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Ok, same price over the hardtop vs convertible other thann it was in a package for 1200.00, think it was like 800.00 on its own.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:44 AM
  #7  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
My question must be less clean than I hoped. I'm asking how much more does a sunroof delete hardtop sell for used (today) vs. sunroof optioned R53.

PS. I've got to admire that you know option prices off the top of your head!
 

Last edited by ChiR52; Jan 6, 2017 at 12:03 PM. Reason: grammar, clarity
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 11:48 AM
  #8  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
That was my guess because I bought a MINI new back in 2004.

Its priced most of time a hair more with the panoramic roof. Most people wanted that option back in the day. The solid hardtops are harder to find and most dont have allot of options so they might be priced less, unless its an MC40 or a JCW GP2 which are rare and usually higher priced as they were factory solid tops.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 12:06 PM
  #9  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by ECSTuning
That was my guess because I bought a MINI new back in 2004.

Its priced most of time a hair more with the panoramic roof. Most people wanted that option back in the day. The solid hardtops are harder to find and most dont have allot of options so they might be priced less, unless its an MC40 or a JCW GP2 which are rare and usually higher priced as they were factory solid tops.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast, nevermind option packages on cars from over a decade ago. The double sunroof is very cool, but I have an S2000 that I use whenever the weather is good. For my bad weather car I'd just assume lose the weight.
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 01:18 PM
  #10  
sarom058's Avatar
sarom058
5th Gear
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 726
Likes: 20
From: Portland, OR *currently in a temporary email address
You won't be able to get any premium for a non-sunroof equipped R53.

I spent the last few months driving & looking at different 2002-2004 R53's, and basically, if it has a sunroof, average list price is about $5000. Less-equipped models seem to average closer to $4000.

I'd think a sunroof delete model would go for less than their base counterparts, custom stuff usually reduces the value...but I've never even heard of someone deleting a sunroof. Normal people perceive non-sunroof cars as inferior...most people aren't even able to tell when a wheel loses traction, much less how center of gravity affects the dynamics of their vehicle...
 
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2017 | 03:24 PM
  #11  
rkw's Avatar
rkw
OVERDRIVE
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 8,233
Likes: 127
From: San Francisco
An R53 with sunroof is worth about $200 more on the market. You can verify on appraisal sites like kbb and edmunds.
 
Reply
Old Jan 7, 2017 | 05:33 AM
  #12  
sherman89's Avatar
sherman89
4th Gear
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 310
Likes: 4
From: Morriston Fl
Since you have a H2000 the sun roof has no value to you and a 80b reduction for the tin top is the way to go if you can find one---they are rare for the above reasons----I personally would prefer the tin top and loose the 80 lb.
 

Last edited by sherman89; Jan 7, 2017 at 10:00 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 7, 2017 | 08:53 AM
  #13  
Whine not Walnuts's Avatar
Whine not Walnuts
OVERDRIVE
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,489
Likes: 629
From: Fuquay Varina, NC
AP1 or AP2 S2000?
 
Reply
Old Jan 7, 2017 | 10:38 AM
  #14  
rkw's Avatar
rkw
OVERDRIVE
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 8,233
Likes: 127
From: San Francisco
Originally Posted by sherman89
I personally would prefer the tin top and loose the 80 lb.
Actually 54 lbs, and subtracting the weight of a tin roof (I'll estimate 15 lbs), the difference would be about 40 lbs, which is still substantial.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2977406
 

Last edited by rkw; Jan 7, 2017 at 10:45 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2017 | 03:09 PM
  #15  
sevin's Avatar
sevin
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 25
From: North Carolina
The sunroof is just so MINI though. Even if you don't open it, just having it there to let ambient light in is so nice. Transforms the driving experience, makes it an even happier car. I test drove an R53 with no sunroof and a slight tint before I bought mine and it sucked inside. Just felt lifeless.
 
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2017 | 03:34 PM
  #16  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by r53coop
AP1 or AP2 S2000?
AP1

Originally Posted by sevin
The sunroof is just so MINI though. Even if you don't open it, just having it there to let ambient light in is so nice. Transforms the driving experience, makes it an even happier car. I test drove an R53 with no sunroof and a slight tint before I bought mine and it sucked inside. Just felt lifeless.
I'm coming around to this. I've been driving my wife's convertible the last few days with the top up. With the roof so far forward it makes for dark interior. I'd like a lightweight car, low center of gravity but I'm not building a race car. I'm looking for a modded car and finding one with the right mods and no sunroof could be hard.
 
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2017 | 03:44 PM
  #17  
Bernard Barbour's Avatar
Bernard Barbour
3rd Gear
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 272
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by sevin
The sunroof is just so MINI though. Even if you don't open it, just having it there to let ambient light in is so nice. Transforms the driving experience, makes it an even happier car. I test drove an R53 with no sunroof and a slight tint before I bought mine and it sucked inside. Just felt lifeless.
Hey sevin, I'm offended by your "lifeless statement" un-true, lol. My MC40 rocks, motor on!


 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 05:21 AM
  #18  
MrBlah's Avatar
MrBlah
6th Gear - AX Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,301
Likes: 300
From: Pittsboro NC
a sunroof delete hardtop was worth 1000 $ more than a sunroof model to me, it took forever to find one too

it's very very hard to find them, that's why people like me are willing to pay more for one

I hate sunroofs, they rattle and all that weight in the worst place
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 06:22 AM
  #19  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,758
Likes: 2,548
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Yes, they are hard to find, most people went with the pano roof when the car was new.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 07:18 AM
  #20  
MrBlah's Avatar
MrBlah
6th Gear - AX Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,301
Likes: 300
From: Pittsboro NC
run into the same problem with bmw, every dealer ordered with the moonroof/sunroof things

if you want to do HPDE it's not the best choice all that weight up top, and it's glass no thanks!

I found a 2006 factory JCW with no sunroof, it even has the non automatic hvac! so much better than the "automatic" controls on my 2005
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 07:53 AM
  #21  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by mega72
a sunroof delete hardtop was worth 1000 $ more than a sunroof model to me, it took forever to find one too

it's very very hard to find them, that's why people like me are willing to pay more for one

I hate sunroofs, they rattle and all that weight in the worst place
people might scoff at $1k premium for a sunroof delete but anyone who has tried to take weight out of a car knows $20 per pound is low.
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 10:59 AM
  #22  
Whine not Walnuts's Avatar
Whine not Walnuts
OVERDRIVE
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,489
Likes: 629
From: Fuquay Varina, NC
Originally Posted by ChiR52
people might scoff at $1k premium for a sunroof delete but anyone who has tried to take weight out of a car knows $20 per pound is low.
IMO somebody heavy into autocrossing would be looking for a car without a sunroof. Would be lighter and stiffer. The key is finding that person. I am also thinking that 99% of the people looking for a used mini are going to look at price first and would expect a higher priced car to have a sunroof.
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 12:57 PM
  #23  
coopermike29's Avatar
coopermike29
3rd Gear
5 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 219
Likes: 10
EVERYONE I know who has a mini INSISTS on a SUNROOF

Its one of the greatest Features.

For us......NO sunroof

NO SALE

To each his own.........just personal preference....
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 01:04 PM
  #24  
ChiR52's Avatar
ChiR52
Thread Starter
|
2nd Gear
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by coopermike29
EVERYONE I know who has a mini INSISTS on a SUNROOF

Its one of the greatest Features.

For us......NO sunroof

NO SALE

To each his own.........just personal preference....
Bro, do you even racecar?
 
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 01:24 PM
  #25  
MrBlah's Avatar
MrBlah
6th Gear - AX Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,301
Likes: 300
From: Pittsboro NC
I'm about to pick up a 600 $ mini, the sunroof drain plugged and the footwell module and harness is all corroded

Some days I like sunroofs lol
 
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:54 PM.