R50/53 400hp Mini
This is correct, there have only been a handful of true 400hp+ Mini's ever and all of them have been full 20k+ builds involving an extreme amount of effort and patience.
Remember this is only a 2700lb car, 265whp is an extremely respectable power to weight ratio, and that's $8k+, after that cost per HP grows exponentially, esp if it's not going to be a track only car.
Take your time, do everything but a Big Valve Head and see what you think from there, that's where the bigger money starts if you still think you want to go farther.
(And yes, all of this depends on class rules for anything more serious than a weekend fun run around a road course)
Remember this is only a 2700lb car, 265whp is an extremely respectable power to weight ratio, and that's $8k+, after that cost per HP grows exponentially, esp if it's not going to be a track only car.
Take your time, do everything but a Big Valve Head and see what you think from there, that's where the bigger money starts if you still think you want to go farther.
(And yes, all of this depends on class rules for anything more serious than a weekend fun run around a road course)
Unsanctioned and just some friendly track days then the stage 4 is fine if that is what you want to do. Other than some extra HP for the straights I would spend my money on suspension, tires and brakes as mentioned. With that and some practice you will give bigger HP cars a run for their money.
I agree with what every one else said about probably not getting more than 250hp out of the car, what I would add is remove as much weight as you can, removing weight is like free horse power. rear seat, carpets, radio, interior trim, passenger seat. All are unnecessary for a track day car (though a passenger seat is nice)
I'd also do suspension and brake improvements. If you lower these cars and make them even stiffer, they handle even better, and while the stock brakes are good, I overheat them at some tracks. I'd also look into getting some bridgestone potenza RE-71R tires, they are amazing.
I'd also do suspension and brake improvements. If you lower these cars and make them even stiffer, they handle even better, and while the stock brakes are good, I overheat them at some tracks. I'd also look into getting some bridgestone potenza RE-71R tires, they are amazing.
There are a PLENTY of RMW powered cars making 250-275 HP with a new, Head, cam, injectors, header, tune...Granted still not cheap but but not too bad if you can do your own install of parts.
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
why has no one mentioned NOS =D
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
BlimeyCabrio has what is essentially an RMW prototype package that makes 351whp. So that's probably over 400hp and he is still using a supercharger. He has a blog.
If you want a good indication of what it would be like, find someone with a 400+hp Honda and have them take you for a ride. Then take the total cost they spent, multiply that by at least 3 (because Mini), ask them what their reliability is and then however many times it's broken down multiply that by 4 or 5, because well Mini.
I owned an '03 Evo 8 that made 532hp to the wheels, and even with AWD I can't really even say that was streetable, and a Mini is almost half the weight. Not trying to discourage you from your dream or goal, but the car will pretty much be undriveable after that.
I owned an '03 Evo 8 that made 532hp to the wheels, and even with AWD I can't really even say that was streetable, and a Mini is almost half the weight. Not trying to discourage you from your dream or goal, but the car will pretty much be undriveable after that.
why has no one mentioned NOS =D
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
why has no one mentioned NOS =D
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
get the BVH and a fully built motor then shove some blue juice through, thatll get ya closer and cheaper than a turbo setup, but yes 400hp will be a handful, granted it wont be that hard with the turbo, straight turbo swap with same psi at 15 will get you around 300, the supercharger does rob quite a bit of power
Honestly, we've all been there, esp. if you come from the Asian car community, where HP comes much easier and much cheaper.....
First thing to do is forget about HP #'s esp if you want to track the car. Once you've got a good idea of the amount and type of racing you want to do (esp when it comes to rules and the Do's & Don'ts) we'll be more than happy to help out. But if it allows, start here:
-Better CAI
-15% reduction pulley (15% for Track, 17% for Street)
-Lighter Wheels
-Good Tires
-Bigger Rear Sway Bar
Those are the basics no matter what.
Then it will be decision time...
Track Car You can drive on the street -or- Street Car with good Track manners. This can change your priorities when it comes to where and how to spend your money next.
Good Luck and have fun with it.
First thing to do is forget about HP #'s esp if you want to track the car. Once you've got a good idea of the amount and type of racing you want to do (esp when it comes to rules and the Do's & Don'ts) we'll be more than happy to help out. But if it allows, start here:
-Better CAI
-15% reduction pulley (15% for Track, 17% for Street)
-Lighter Wheels
-Good Tires
-Bigger Rear Sway Bar
Those are the basics no matter what.
Then it will be decision time...
Track Car You can drive on the street -or- Street Car with good Track manners. This can change your priorities when it comes to where and how to spend your money next.
Good Luck and have fun with it.
Call RMW and purchase:
2.0 liter long stroke longblock complete with race head, billet rockers, race cam
TVS supercharger system complete with air to water intake manifold
Race longtube header
Big fuel injectors and pump
Vipec ECU and dyno tuning for E85 fuel
Race CV axles
Have a good exhaust shop make you a custom mandrel bent 2.75"+ R50 style exhaust. R50 bumper trim to match your right side exit exhaust. OR even better move your battery and run R56 straight exhaust.
This should get you your 400 crank HP. You're also going to need:
Aftermarket clutch
Aftermarket LSD
Aftermarket engine mounts
Brake and suspension upgrades to cope with all the added power, along with wider wheels and tires to help with traction
2.0 liter long stroke longblock complete with race head, billet rockers, race cam
TVS supercharger system complete with air to water intake manifold
Race longtube header
Big fuel injectors and pump
Vipec ECU and dyno tuning for E85 fuel
Race CV axles
Have a good exhaust shop make you a custom mandrel bent 2.75"+ R50 style exhaust. R50 bumper trim to match your right side exit exhaust. OR even better move your battery and run R56 straight exhaust.
This should get you your 400 crank HP. You're also going to need:
Aftermarket clutch
Aftermarket LSD
Aftermarket engine mounts
Brake and suspension upgrades to cope with all the added power, along with wider wheels and tires to help with traction
There are a PLENTY of RMW powered cars making 250-275 HP with a new, Head, cam, injectors, header, tune...Granted still not cheap but but not too bad if you can do your own install of parts.
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
Sorry for noobing...
Just popped in on this thread because I too am looking for the same thing as the first guy. I have an 2006 R50 Mini Cooper (5-speed) base model. My engine went recently, so I'v been looking at what to do next. I've Googled/Youtube a billion things showing other people making 400+ easily, AND still keeping it aesthetically stock (not track-looking with fat slicks etc). From what I'v seen, a Honda K-series swap (K24a2 with a K20a2 head)(plus turbo) makes this happen EASILY. And it doesn't cost $20k+ like I've read in the thread.
That being said, I'm not undercutting you guys who actually know what you're talking about, but isn't this 400hp Mini actually realistic? And would I be better going forged internals or stick with the swap? Not here to start beef, for all you hotheads... thanks.
That being said, I'm not undercutting you guys who actually know what you're talking about, but isn't this 400hp Mini actually realistic? And would I be better going forged internals or stick with the swap? Not here to start beef, for all you hotheads... thanks.
Just popped in on this thread because I too am looking for the same thing as the first guy. I have an 2006 R50 Mini Cooper (5-speed) base model. My engine went recently, so I'v been looking at what to do next. I've Googled/Youtube a billion things showing other people making 400+ easily, AND still keeping it aesthetically stock (not track-looking with fat slicks etc). From what I'v seen, a Honda K-series swap (K24a2 with a K20a2 head)(plus turbo) makes this happen EASILY. And it doesn't cost $20k+ like I've read in the thread.
That being said, I'm not undercutting you guys who actually know what you're talking about, but isn't this 400hp Mini actually realistic? And would I be better going forged internals or stick with the swap? Not here to start beef, for all you hotheads... thanks.
That being said, I'm not undercutting you guys who actually know what you're talking about, but isn't this 400hp Mini actually realistic? And would I be better going forged internals or stick with the swap? Not here to start beef, for all you hotheads... thanks.
Is this "Easy" for some people? Sure. But I think it would be safe to say that for most people, doing any kind of motor swap in a Mini is not "Easy".....or cheap. You could probably go out and by a nice used R53, mod the heck out of it, and still be money ahead.
There are a PLENTY of RMW powered cars making 250-275 HP with a new, Head, cam, injectors, header, tune...Granted still not cheap but but not too bad if you can do your own install of parts.
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
Head-$2500 + core
Header-$800-$1000 or so
Cam-$400 or so
Injectors- not sure say $400-600
Tune- $450
and your out driving for around $5000 if free labor..
PS: one of the best CAI for Gen 1 cars is the Factory JCW intake..
I actually feel 400hp could be done pretty easy and not too much money. Good head , injectors , cam , turbo and tune...all can be had 2nd hand and or fabbed up
Last edited by MiniManAdam; Sep 2, 2021 at 12:17 PM.
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