After speaking with my local manic tuner I was informed that stage 2 with wagner competition intercooler, catless DP, nm intake, turbo muffler delete and invidia q300 exhaust I would only net roughly 20-30 hp gains above stock. My question is, is this accurate? I'm currently running a jb+ which boasts the same gains. So after spending several thousand and doing a lot of upgrades I won't see much difference? This just doesn't seem right. If it is would I be better off just keeping the jb+ and saving the money for suspension work? Thanks in advanced for the help. Any manic dealers or people running it are welcome to chime in.

 

A stock S is about 180whp and manic 2 with DP will put you around 230whp and don't forget about the big jump in torque!

mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

See now that sounds about right. They are 180whp not bhp?

 

They are a little unrated but 180 to the wheels is about the norm

mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer

 

I had the JB+ and while I liked it for what it is, I doubt that you are getting 20-30 hp from it. It's probably more like 10-15 hp.

You will notice an appreciable difference if you get the Manic tune. Night and day.

 

I always thought the 181hp stock figure was at the crank, not the wheels?

Anyway, even if it is "only" 20-30 hp, remember that's still ~20% gain, which is more than noticeable. Mighty Car Mods' rule of thumb is a minimum 10% gain is definitely noticeable. And just about everyone I've read about on here that did the JB+ to Manic switch noticed the difference even at Stage 1.

 

I don't know about anyone else but my car on the JB+ is significantly faster than stock... On the onramp to the highway where I used to hit 80 tops on the way up I now hit 100, and my last 0-60 run timed with my P3Cars gauge was (in the soaking wet) 5.5 seconds. I just feel like 230 on a Manic tune is very conservative...