Maybe I got a wednesday morning build...you know hump day so everyone can see the week end coming and puts in extra effort...OR it could be what Mike Cooper said, "all s owners feel free to be as mean as you want to chris.
it wont hurt his feelings anyway cause his car was made by god.
way to go chris"

P.S. Did I mention my car is BONE STOCK!

Well here it is:

here's a pic pf the print out!

every pull was within 2 HP of 160 WHP for some freakish reason I only had a 4 HP loss from cranck to wheels based on the fact that the engine is rated at 164....or something...ask coop he was watching the meter...I was watchin the tach....
Also I had Torque ratings from 142.27 - 142.58 ...nice and constant

 

Glad you had good results. You have to remember that all dyno runs have to be taken with a grain of salt. Dyno runs are not meant to be absolute measurements of hp. But relative measurements based on the conditions at the time. Also dynojet dynos run on the high side. I doubt the drivetrain loss was truly 4hp, that one pretty much defies the laws of physics, and the tech should have realized the number was not accurate. Anyone who thinks that a driveline will only lose 2% power loss, doesn't really know there stuff.

 

regaurdless...the conditions alone say alot...only to say that I still have more than most ...WHY cause it was 102 out side...so...it would only get better with better conditions...

Also the fact that my friends with intake, pulley, exahust and some who have more...just can't get away from me...hmmn...maybe the dyno was right

however, please do not think that I am someone who thinks a dyno tell all...if I did I'd prolly be seeing a fourtune teller insted...LOL...

I jjust wanted a base line so when I get mods done I can see the result...

 

I think your car is pretty representative of stock MINIs. You dyno run looks almost identical to mine.


Here is my dyno run after 19% pulley with one baseline as reference:

 

Good. And I had just agreed with your post about your break in procedure. Must have worked huh.

 

maybe you got a wednesday morning build too...LOL...I would hope this power rating to be the case for most minis...however, our (my self and about 5 other owners) questions arose when we were on fun runs and would do rollons and I would pull, be dead even, or keep up with others...and they did not have stock minis

 

I can personally vouch that Tuls's car is FAST for a stocker. I've got a 15% and an Alta intake. I have a hard time pulling away from him, if at all. In many cases, he was equal to me. Especially below 60 MPH. After that, I tended to pull on him slightly up to freeway speed.

 

Tuls, I agree some MCS's are just faster out of the box. My buddy had a pulley installed and wanted to compair the difference between his car and mine.(before I did my pulley) to his shock my stock MCS kept up with his car thoughout most of the compairison. so we swithed cars to eliminate any driver differences. And still got the same results. Now with my pulley installed, my car is much faster than his with much of the same mods.

 

I am new to this scene but i am not new to tuning... I have many years of experiance tuning cars that make so much power for a street car you wouldn't even believe me if i told you how much power they have made... so i won't waste my time...

Yes Dyno jets do typically run high, but not 30+ horsepower high!!!!! His car is not the only 2004 making an abnormily high amount of power... I myself, have beaten several works cooper S's and my 2004 MCS is stock... These were 3rd gear runs (both drivers were in 3rd gear and acceleration started at the same time) and my car actually started to pull on the works car... for you skeptics, who knows maybe i hit the accelerator a hundreth of a second earlier than the JCW car... but still even with that power (40 extra flywheel hp) he should have schooled me. Chris and i have lined up against each other (same style 3rd gear pull) and we were dead even... The reason why we do a 3rd gear pull is because you eliminate the possibility of one person being a better driver than the other...

Anyways... back on topic... maybe Chris isn't saying that the car didn't loose any horsepower through drivetrain loss... maybe his car is making more power than advertised! This is a possibility, who knows maybe mini changed something in the 2004 cars that made them stronger... maybe we both happen to be lucky enough that our cars are producing much more power than anticipated...

The thing that i hate about the internet is that many people (not all) think that they are experts in fields that they are clearly not! These people think that they know all... and are very closed minded! This drives me crazy! I will stop complaining... thanks for listening... i just wish people wouldn't be so darn negative!

 

I agree with isselm.

I would not be surprised if his MINI has more power than average. It does happen. I've seen it happen a few times as well.

Now you know your MCS is special bro. Like mine.

 

I never said his car didn't make more hp than the average. In fact, there may be quite a few that make more hp than the 163hp quoted from the factory. I was just saying that you have to not necessarily take it as an absolute figure, which is what he was doing based on the driveline loss calculation he was showing. I can make my dyno run fluctuate 10hp or more by playing with the setup. Heck, there a vendors with dyno sheet (multiple runs) showing their chip upgrade making 30hp at the wheels.

 

yeah and now you are speaking of UPGRADES...

the point is the car is untouched and out runs most modded MCS ssssssss even the works cars....obviously there is a few guys I run with who are making well over the works cars hp and can out run me...

however, it's been something we all were waiting to see....was it pure dumb luck, was it better driving, OR maybe I had a strong motor...ofcorse I could just tell everyone it wasn't the HP it was just the fact that I am SOOOO much of a better driver..they should join me at the next racing school class I am teaching...LOL

all in all it's fun that's all...the car is strong and again now we have proof...if you like there are 4 or so other Dynos in town...send me the $$ and I'l go to everyone of them..and we can average it out

in the end I can't wait to mess with her...if I start here who knows where I can get her to

 

i've raced this car. i have a 15% pulley, rogue intake, borla race exhaust....

and i don't have a sunroof nor do i have heavy slites and runflats like Tuls does...

score? dead even. like domininc says...it's not until we get up in the 60-70mph range would i even be able to start moving forward....more often than not though, i can't shake him off me. it's neck and neck.

lucky bastard!

 

So you may not want to mess with car and upgrade, or at least be careful with your upgrades.

 

LOL I have thought the same thing....."I don't wanna mod it...what if it makes it slower" heh heh....yeah...I doubt it's an issue...guess we'll find out

 

I would think things like a pulley would be positive, but maybe changing the head or the cam might affect the current output. Have you had your chip reflashed my BMW?

 

Tuls, I have heard of many people getting really "special" stock MINIs. In particular, the August 2002 builds were very good! I am totally pleased with my Wanda (March 2003 build), and will only consider mods after 50K, when my extended maintenance warranty runs out. I have the K&N Typhoon CAI, which I love, but that's it for me until 50K! Enjoy your very special baby! So cool!

Clo/Wanda

 

THanks Clo...I enjoy her everyday....


dgszweda1 I have never had my software flashed...so why would i have it reflashed...it's works great...infact if they flash it and it slows down they will be fixing it...but no matter I intend to go way beyond just a pulley..I am not really concerned about the loosing HP....unless I was to do something wrong...it isn't really possible...and well I am pretty confident in how to tune a I-4 with forced induction....none the less...now that I have a baseline HP I can accually see the progress and if I do in fact loose HP I'll know why...cause when I do a major mod I will accually dyno tune it....rather than just jumping on a dyno and running it

that's going to be a while though...don't wanna void anything important...

 

Tuls,

It's great to hear you have a special "super stock" MCS.
Given such good power anything to lighten your MINI would be great (like wheels/tires, etc).

With mods you may get some gains but perhaps less relative gain since you are already at a higher starting point. Hard to say what will happen since there are so many variables. No one knows for sure.

We should all be so lucky. Your dyno numbers back up what you found on the road.