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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 07:49 PM
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New Springs Thread Please...

So I was interested in getting some feedback on what type of springs you all suggest and use day to day. I'm strongly thinking about lowering my stock suspension 05' MCS about an inch front and rear (I'm also open to hearing what you think about height). There seems to be so many brands on the market and this newbie needs some guidence in a big way.

Tire size is 17" Proxes T1R's all the way around

This car is just a daily driver, but I'd like to spice up the looks a bit.

Thanks much


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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 09:39 PM
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im also in the market. i think im gonna hit up the HR springs. drop the car inch all the way around and for $225 you cant beat it. ill let u know down the road when i take care of it.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:41 AM
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only one way to go if you just want to drop the car a bit. TSW Springs.

Don't go with progressive springs like H&R, they are basically just the stock spring but lowered some. Do yourself a favor and get some linear springs like TSW. Car will handle so much better and be so much more predictable. I got them on my car and they are just perfect. Gives it a nice drop so the car sits really nice and they give it awesome handling. IMO, the way the car should have come from the factory. I think others with TSW springs will agree. And for 199.00 makes it an incredible deal for much better springs than H&R.

http://www.txwerks.com/servlet/Detail?no=28
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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Those arent even an inch. i need to lower mine as well but i want to lower it more than an inch and dont have money for coilovers. im thinking about either ALTA or H&R. i want at least 1" but im going for as low as i can. i think alta is 1.2 or something?
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dustinhxc
Those arent even an inch. i need to lower mine as well but i want to lower it more than an inch and dont have money for coilovers. im thinking about either ALTA or H&R. i want at least 1" but im going for as low as i can. i think alta is 1.2 or something?
Drop with TSW springs is about an inch all around..but more importantly they are linear springs, not progressive. FYI - you will probably not be able to drop your car much more than an inch without altering other parts. i.e. control arms, shocks.. it might be able to be done but the ride/handling will suck!!! Just an FYI.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PureCo
Drop with TSW springs is about an inch all around..but more importantly they are linear springs, not progressive. FYI - you will probably not be able to drop your car much more than an inch without altering other parts. i.e. control arms, shocks.. it might be able to be done but the ride/handling will suck!!! Just an FYI.
Here is a short artical that may help explain about progressive and linear and the difference between each.

http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/lowering-springs.html
 

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Old Jun 7, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=143017
 
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by metaltech
Here is a short artical that may help explain about progressive and linear and the difference between each.

http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/lowering-springs.html
based on that info, the best springs are Progressive setup



"3. Progressive Springs (Rising Rate Springs, Progressive Rate Springs, Progressive Wound Springs)

In progressive springs each coil is spaced differently and have a variable spring rate. When free, it is easy to compress progressive springs for first centimeters. As you apply more forces, coil on a progressive spring come closer. After a certain point, coil at the top 1/4 of progressive springs begin to touch each other and finally become inactive or dead, and that makes the spring stiffer. Apply more forces to a progressive spring then it becomes stiffer because as the number of active coils in a spring decreases, the spring rate increases. So, progressive springs may both be sensitive to very small bumps on the road, while giving the stiffness you need during hard braking and turning.

Each spring design has its own market.
Progressive springs are likely "all-in one" solutions. Progressive springs are often used on performance aftermarket kits like Eibach or others, and they are good for daily performance street driving. They help you achieve the highest performance when driving hard, while providing a smooth, comfortable drive the rest of the time.
Linear springs are more often used in drag racing, road racing, track and races that require a "high spring rate", in which a constant spring rate is more important than a smooth ride. They are still popular because they are:
  1. Easier to produce and can be made to lower a car beyond the point of progressive springs.
  2. Easy to work with, because spring rate never changes, allowing quick chassis setup
  3. Cheaper than progressive springs, allowing most race teams to use several different sets depending on track condition
 

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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Linear rates are also good because they are predictable, offering the same rate at any compression. Compare that to a constantly changing rate on the progressives. If you enter a bumpy corner or stretch of road, your car will not always handle the same with progressives. But with linear rate you will always get the same predictable response in vehicle dynamics.

Sorry that wasn't very technical, it was more to convey the concept.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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I am thinking to get the TSW since i do not want to change the ride quality that much. can anyone tell me the ride quality of TSW springs? thanks
 
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:19 AM
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Wish TSW had the same springs that everyone likes but with a bit more drop..
 
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