Well I have no quarrel with you adding info on the subject since you have both especially... Having owned an SRT 4 I too am aware of the performance but would rather have that in my superior handling of the Mini... Dosnt seem to be attainable as of yet... to many factors involved... As for the article... It was all over when Minis came out... Even KBB had a chart with a Mini racing all of the above cars thru the sloalom... the numbers didn't lie! Minis handle like a mf'er!!

 

oh, yeah. one more thing. if you're unable to round up a service manual, you can try the 2gn neon fsm. it has a complete section on the euro spec 1.6l motor. shows everything from oil changes to timing. the fsm won't help with anything other than engine specific components, but at least it's there. happy motoring.

 

Im trying to figure out what all is in the euro neon you keep referring too... what motor os in it? a 2.0l?? and its the same block as the 02-06 mcs??
Is that correct? only this 2.0l has a dohc???

 

In mexico, a neon is availible with the MINI's 1.6l. I don't know about Europe.

 

135i ftw

 

geez, i didn't mean to make this such a pain for everyone. the 2gn neon only came with a sohc head, however the block is the same so the head from a pt cruiser, srt, stratus and 1gn neon will swap. some have different cooling passages so be aware and look closely. now, the 2gn neon was exported with the std 2.0l, but also the 1.6 that is found in the mini. therefore it stands to reason that if the 2 motors fit into the neon. and, the 1.6 fits into the mini. then there is the possibility of the 2.0 neon motor having a dohc head being able to easily fit into the engine bay of the mini. a stock 2.0 with dohc pistons and head makes 150hp. the motors are a dime a dozen. factor in cams at 500-600.00, custom header at 800.00, custom intake at 1000.00, forged internals (optional) 1000.00, and head work 1500.00. total cost for a motor that'll make 160-170ft/lbs tq and 200+hp would be around 5k. it makes it a much more economical option than the other ones that i see out there for the mini. oh yeah you also get to ditch the annoying oil cartridge in favor of a spin on filter. hope this helps without sounding too much like a neon pitch.

oh, yeah one more thing. unless they change the bellhousing for the 2.0 to 1.6 then the 2.0 should bolt right up to the getrag tranny in the mini. not sure whether or not that is the case. if so it should make for an easy swap. if not then the swap is a waste of time as it would be more cost than it's worth. as it stands i believe you could pull off the swap with just a little fabrication of mounts.

 

5K to get to 200+hp............you can get that with the stock engine.

 

that sounds fun : )

 

really? n/a 200whp? those are pretty big n/a numbers. can you point me to where/who is pulling it off? i'd like to take a look at it. 200whp is easy with forced induction, but i haven't heard of anyone putting down that much hp out of a 1.6 without power adders.

 

This all started with a cooper S.

And an SRT-4 (turbo)

 

Precisely...
And if anyone ever on here did do the 2.0 neon engine block with the srt dohc head, i guarendamntee you that ***** wouldnt be n/a!!! Haha...

 

oh, geez. again i'm sorry. didn't catch the s part of this thread. there are also a ton of dohc heads for 2.0 motors out there as i stated earlier not just the srt. but, if this is based on a supercharged s and i missed that completely then i apologize and i won't post here again. fact remains that there is a potentially viable engine swap available that will offer displ, tq and hp increases for a reasonable cost without requiring a mountain of fabrication. thanks for letting me offer my suggestions.

 

Yes but the reason im looking towards the 2.4 turbo srt motor is one, they are both made by tritec so maybe some major similarities... and 2, we all know and cant deny what that motor is capable of... Was no one seen the UMS srt4 that laid down 700+whp? Already comes with internals that can withstand 31 psi before upgrading and a turbo swap and fuel and oil upgrades puts this motor abouve 400 easily!! Now... Lets work with that

 

Good thread so far. Im excited to see where this goes because I just purchased a Base MC, and a SRT swap possibility is very attractive to me. I can see where the MCS guys would have some argument room with cost to power effectiveness...but with just the MC guys, I believe the neon motors may be a very attractive alternative.

 

You seem wise...
Welcome to the boards!!

 

Thanks. I come for a Honda background, so I wouldnt mind seeing a K20 in the new mini's but I dont wanna start any fires yet.

There is power to be made with any motor, including the base mini motor. My biggest pet-peeve so far is finding a suitable LSD for the 5speed tranny, or if it would even be worth it. (Still new and have not done the research yet, so dont know the strength or compatibility of the mini trannies.) But thats a little off topic. 2.0l with SRT head monster sounds nice tho.

 

They do those swaps all the time in the older original Minis...
There is also a guy in Colorado who has done a B16 swap... As a honda guy, I'm sure you'd like that
As far as the 5 speeds, im not sure... Do a forum search... Im sure you find what your looking for... Or ask UK SUV... he's got a mc with a 5 speed... he'd prollt know well!

 

your sticking an sr20 in a mini

 

I think he was referring to his Infiniti...
And if he wasnt, than DAMN... Watch out for this car!!!

 

hmm an sr20 in a (g35?) would be pretty sick fully built, not a bad idea really

 

i have a phantom grip lsd in my neon and it works well in spite of the criticisms. everytime i drop the hammer it leaves 2 black strips instead the open diff peg-legged burnout. certainly it's not as good as a quaife, but phatom grips are about 2-300.00. i thought i saw them available through one of the vendors. if not you can always cut one down to fit the mc non-s application.

 

hes talking about his g20 i think... not g35

 

Me too but I think a k24/20 hybrid would be even more droolworthy haha

 

Any updates to the thread? Im also curious about the tranny compatibility...would def rather the SRT's beefier LSD tranny.

 

The getrag tranny on the mini S is no joke... same company who makes the supra tranny