Suck a hard one, d1ck head.

 

Than please.... be my guest....
Before this get's moved to OT... some of us are on this thread for a reason, not to be "content" with a n/a gas mileage mini....

 

Can't have any other ideas with this *** around.

 

Hey brad...
Maybe a little insight here? Havn't heard from you in a while...
Any luck with gettin some specs back on the 2.0 european block in the neon? how does the bolt pattern look???

 

Uhhh Tranny? Axles? Wiring Harnesses? ECU? oh and Labor...unless your capable of doing all that yourself



Flak caught...oh and its my attitude.

 

These guys are h0moz. No other ideas with assh0les like them.

 

1st, you have to be willing to part with your car - you wont be getting it back.

2nd, this motor doesn't even use the neon's ecu except for dash displays. The main differences is the throttle - mini is electronic, neon is cable.

3rd, The tranny issue is an unknown. Speculation suggests all that is needed is a custom bellhousing. Will have to figure that out when I put the two together.

 

Suck a big one, *** suckers.

 

Thanks Sush... I forgot about the trans and axles... make that $15k....



Would you have to switch to a standalone ecu than because of the throttle? Cuz the drag car uses a drive-by-wire throttle body...




If you've got the time and the skills, than yea, for sure... but you'd prolly have to what like pull the housing and cut it, and re-weld a new housing to it so you can retain the trans cover still... cuz its not just unbolting the bell housing... that shell houses the gears of the trans and the diff too....

 

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Sooo whats your opinion on using the Midlands for this swap?

 

Genius! also instead of using an aluminum adapter plate or fabing a bell housing, couldn't we just use a wooden block with the bolt pattern from the neon engine on one side and the bolt pattern from the midlands on the other? If that doesn't hold, there is always epoxy!

 

Have you gone to the website and filled out your "Team Halfass" application yet???

 

Ummmm....as far as I know...NOT GOOD (I should know)...but it might work for Hemi to keep his cost down.... And Ive been on this board for a very long time and what people still dont get through their heads is that it will cost you the SAME amount to build a Cooper as it is to build a MCS as far as the motor is concerned. Now, if you want to throw a turbo or upgrade the tranny...thats where the extra cost lies. And its really not that much.

 

I'm not building anything.

 

Than why do you continue to try and build your post count by posting in "PERFORMANCE" threads???
If you have no desire to mod your MC and have done anything to offer any advice... what good is 3,000+ posts???
I'm not trying to get off topic here... or thrash on anyone... but DOOD!!! I'm actually trying to figure this out and hear from members who can offer assistance... isn't that the whole purpose of NAM... oh yea, forgot... we strayed from that a loooong time ago... now it's just a chat board.......

THATS WHAT THE OT THREAD IS FOR!!!!!

-Thank you drive thru

 

Thank you for the clarification El Jefe....

 

Go ahead and ask... I'll throw it up here for everyone to see and we can take a quik vote... who here thinks arguing about an OT subject by someone who has NO EXPERIENCE in an MCS and barely their own car counts as a post again I will ask... please... read the title of the thread... pretty sure common sense will say this is a MOD...

I'm done arguing this with you.... if my post's need to be edited or deleted... so be it...

 

http://www.annhudspeth.com/simmer/simmer_additup.wav

 

Hahaha that made my day

 

Point taken

 

I would like to inject a bit of knowledge upon the board. My previous car is a 1997 n/a eclipse. It comes with a 420a neon block but the head is reversed (intake on the back, exhaust on the front) I had looked at swapping either the cloud car 2.4l or the srt-4 2.4l matched to my head to make a 2.2l stroker. The problem lies with the heads not matching. the block for the 2.0 is way off matching either 2.4 and that is reversed my head doesn't match either 2.4. Much machining was needed even if I used a r/t block from a neon the heads just don't work with the blocks.The point was that even though they are all penstar motors they are not all interchangable and would require serious work to get them to match parts.
Block codes
2.0= 420a 140 hp n/a
2.4= A855 140 hp n/a

 

So, I read this saturday, then autocrossed sunday. And what was there, a 440HP, 400somethingish ftlb torque SRT-4...

I'm sure that would look much nicer in my car, than his, as after all, it's still a neon.

 

I know this is old and nobody cares anymore but Ill have a go

First of all a bit of neon engine history:
1.8 SOHC: Export neon shares block with 2.0. Possiable basis for mini engine
2.0 SOHC/DOHC: Mostly the same. Same exterior dimensions
2.4 DOHC: About 1" taller than 2.0 in terms of DOHCs the heads are the same

** Watch for NGC(next generation controler) it began on the PL(neon/PT) platform in 03 the engines use different cam/crank sensors. I am unsure of which is closer to a stock mini**

Mounting: On the drivers side the trans mount does everything. There are 2 mounts on the passanger side an upper and a lower the lower is refered to as the "torque arm" its primary funciton is to reduce engine movement. The upper mount holds the engine in the car. I will get pics asap.

Trans: SRT uses NVG T-850 its a truck trans, it works like one and is probably the biggest reason I dont have an SRT. The NVG T-350 is more than strong enough(if you can live with 600wtq or less) and shifts pretty well. I will get a pic of the bellhousing asap. If the gretag will fit use it.

Wiring: I have no idea, get a megasquirt box and play around a bit

E-Throttle: Drill a hole in the fire wall. Use neon pedal set(1gn is better set to heal and toe downshifts) use V6 Caravan throttle cable, you'll be able to wrap it around the engine before you connect it to the TB, length will not be an issue

 

Corrections:

I think you mean a 1.6L instead of 1.8L

And the 2.4 and 2.0 heads are different with an exception. The early non-turbo 2.4s and 2.0 use the same head. the later 2.4 (as in the srt) uses a different head - oil feed is in a different location; but can be modified to work with earlier blocks. The srt head also has a different port and the exhaust valve is 1mm smaller but is inconel.

I don't know if you are refering to the MINI's mounts or the Neon's. The Neon has three; tranny on drivers side and upper on passenger, then one in the front middle on the bottom. There may be a bracket on the later neons in the back for a mount (I removed something from the back of the block in my 1gen DOHC to 2gen SOHC neon swap) but the motor wasn't attached to a car when I got it to know what it was.

A concern not previously addessed is the power steering. Putting a 2.4 in a neon requires a different mount to be fabricated for the PS - its actually common not to run PS cause no one wants to deal with it (actually one of the reasons I went with a SOHC rather than 2.4 in the swap mentioned above). Brackets can be found with some searching and monatary persuasion on neons.org. In the MINI, the pump is electric and behind the motor which could cause some problems with PS rerouting not to mention steering the rocket ship in general.