As posted in the wheel/tire/brake forum I'm interested in working out a free install on any Wilwood or TCE/Wilwood big brake kit at the event coming up the end of the month.

The deal is simple; prepay a kit and receive free shipping and free ON SIGHT installation.

I'm simply looking for a way to offset expenses to attend as a vendor and can't do so without some justification of sales to go.

Anyone interested please contact me direct for more info and options. I'm hoping we can do a couple of installs there and make it a great show for everyone!

 

Do you sell a street version of the 11.75" brake kit? I am interested in this size because I would like to use a 15x7 wheel when at the track. However, this car will also be my daily driver so I would prefer to have a caliper that has dust boots. Thanks!

 

The booted caliper could be sub'd for a small addtional fee. No hard numbers in hand but certianly not outragous.

 

Depends - What will fit inside my 17" Centerline RPMS?

(I'm thinking along the lines of the Plus 3 or 4)

 

You'll need to check the wheel fit page.

Go to the TCE home page and click FAQ, then open up Wheel Fit.

(sorry my browsers never let me cut and paste on this site for some strange reason)

 

I use TCE Wilwoods myself , front and rears. I actually borrowed someone’s 17" RPMs a while back and they fit fine, though I'm not sure if I was using my spacer that I normally use with my fronts anyway. I don't 'need' a spacer with my Koseis, but I use one anyway.

The TCE front kit I am using is the 13" x .81". I track a whole lot and these brakes have NEVER let me down. Nothing like having a bunch of Porsche owners coming up to you after a long day of tracking and complementing on how late and deep I can brake. They just can't keep up in the corners ...
I'd recommend the TCE highly There are not too many other, if any, brake builders out there that are as easy to get a hold of as Todd is. He's always been there when I've needed something or have had a question to ask. (not to mention that you just can't beat the price for such quality BBK )

Greg V

 

So changing the Plus 1 kit to a booted caliper will be additional charge.

What about changing the Plus 2 or 3 kit to the 11.75" rotors?

I'm a little confused because the Plus 2 kit costs less than the Plus 1, yet features the rubber dust boots and a larger rotor. Is it because the Plus 1 has more expensive pads, and that the smaller 11.75" rotor is directional?

matt

 

Yes you are correct. It's messy, but I didn't make the kit layout....

The 12.2 std kit is less as the rotor is a less priced part. The 11.75 costs far more to produce due to the casting.

The zoomy 12.2 is simply more due to the drill/slot/plate aspect.

To do a 'good' rotor on a 12.2 kit would cost more as does the booted caliper on the smaller kit.

Think of it this way; costly rotor/low cost caliper vs. costly caliper/low cost rotor vs. costly caliper/zoomy costly rotor.

Just as adding a more costly rotor to a stage II, the same applies to a more costly caliper on the costly rotor....

You got all that? You look kinda pale!

 

Hi all, I was about to get the TCE combo, but came across a B3BBK here in the marketplace. Price was right, I jumped. That said, there were compramises involeved.

The TCE kit uses Al hats with bolt on calipers. You can go to the Wilwood site and look at the 8+? types of rotors that they offer. The hats are expensive, but the replacement rotors are relatively cheap (I saw a 11.75x 1.1 or 1.2" thick ULHP about an 8 lb slotted, directionally vaned lightweight ultra-flat rotor for about $130 each. The ULs were less, and I even found good rotors in that size for about $40. So you get less weight and less ongoing cost of ownership.

There are many pad manufacturers that make pads for these calipers, so you have many choices. And since there are so many of these calipers out there, very nice pads are less than EBC greens for the stock calipers!

I ended up with Outlaw calipers at 3 lbs each, whereas the Wilwood is 2.5 each.

Overall, I think the StopTechs etc (13" x 1.2" rotors) are selling much much more than they need to. It's a much heavier caliper, and like onasled said, he's running the .8" wides and doing just fine. Less bling for the 11.75s, but I doubt if any mini (well maybe that 430 HP monster) would ever use the full brakes on the Stoptech kit. And it adds weight (relative to the smaller aftermarket kits).

The Wilwood stuff is kind of like lego, so I'm sure that you can get just the configuration that you want from TCE. One other item of interest, I thought about building the TCE rear set up myself, and I can't do it for enough less to justify it. I'm sure any slim overall savings would be eaten up by shipping charges from multiple vendors.

For ball park numbers
Calipers $200 each.
Hats $125 each
Rotors $35-$150 each
Pads $40-$150 a set
SS Lines $50 for a pair.

Going kind of low end on the rotors and pads get you to $850 fast.....

And no, I don't get a slice of TCE pie....... I was surprised that I couldn't package it for much less.

Matt

 

Well....this isn't going quite how I planned it.

Visions of Dozens of phone calls, hundreds of emails, a truck full of brake kits, three or four helpers, gallons of brake fluid, installs to 2AM for the next day....

Hmmm. Maybe not. But at least Ihoped it might spark a few inquires!

Come on now, it's free shipping and install. You don't even get your hands dirty! And save $ watching me bust my knuckles!

 

Looking at Onalsed's reply it looks like they'll fit (maybe with spacers) - unfortunately I do not have time to take off a wheel and take measurements.

I'd take you up on the Plus 4 if I knew they'd fit!





I'd be interested in the Plus 4

 

This is a great deal guys. I'm a pretty decent mechanic and it took me about 2/3 of a day to do front and rear. So, even if it takes Todd and his boys half that, it's a great bargain for those not interested in doing it themselves.

BTW...I'm very happy with my kit.

 

I can't measure it for you, you'll have to pull the wheel and check the data on the wheel fit page. Sure wouldn't want to bolt it up and have it go 'clunk'.

 

What more can I say, ...they fit!
I'm pretty sure that the 5mm spacer was needed though which is helpful anyway with widening the front track.

 

I meant to comment on this the other day Matt.

You are of course correct from my seat, but there are those who will take time to search out all the parts and try to replicate any part or kit (insert product here) that they feel they can make for less. It's human nature I guess and rampet in the aftermarket parts business as everyone thinks the vendor guy is getting rich! (my wife keeps reminding ME of that and perhaps a real job may be on the horizon soon!)

What most fail to understand is that hard parts is but ONE aspect of running the parts business. A lot of guys in this business hide behind a computer screen in the basement while pulling down the six figure job and do this as a hobby. (trust me on that) But others like myself need to consider hard parts cost, advertising fees (GRM is $400 per month), forum fees (ask Mark), building rental, insurance (required), utilities, cc and paypal fees (figure on 3%), general accounting and paperwork costs, amortized dusty product on the shelf, inbound freight, assembly time, R&D time, and more things I've forgotten. Then there's a profit. Oh yea, that's what this was all about! Do!

By the time it's all said and done I'd be lucky to put $100 each in my pocket. It's not a sob story here, just a fact. I chose to cut out some of the other paying work I did to concentrate on brakes more. I'm leaning the other way again now.

On the flip side you have to consider the cost savings of the 'do it yourselfer' over the buyer. The DY saves going in...but when time comes to work out the messy details of things he has time invested. The buyer has the product on the car and is enjoying the purchase. I'm happy to sell folks parts to do their own thing. But I don't give the details either. You want a caliper- tell me which one? A rotor- what size? A hat- what offset, bore, bolt circle?

You get the idea. I appreciate your candid comments and hope other will support the vendors here as well. Some do it as a hobby and some don't, but they all value your business more than you may think.

 

If I were to buy new, I would have gone for the 11.75" race kit. I think it's the best in terms of performance and wieght out there. Now, if you charged StopTech prices, letting one's fingers walk through the yellow pages would have saved almost a grand!

So hats off to you, for delivering an excellent product at a very, very fair price. My list didn't include the caliper mounts either!

When I can afford it (after I close a few open projects) you can sign me up for a rear kit!

Matt