I would like to know if this is really true or is it a bunch of ###

 

Probably the latter. You will get a nice bump in performance, but I doubt you can get a measurable 20 hp.

 

I think that 20ho is too much for that type of modification

 

That is what they claim.

 

u will probably get more out of it determining how many/what mods you have. but 20 hp seems too much, its not a turbo. most people say the best part of the file is that it smooths out the power delivery.

 

You'll get 20 horses, but they're really, really small ones.

 

If I remember, this has come up before. The numbers that you are reading are pretty much in a perfect environment. The right temp, airflow, fuel, and a tech making tweaks as you go made the numbers possible. In a real world, you won't see that much of an improvement but there will be a nice jump. With the Tuner file my MCS has turned into a little beast. It is much more aggressive and 10x smoother. DSC is also less responsive making driving much more pleasurable as I don't have to worry about it kicking in and leaving me in front of oncoming traffic. It is a nice mod to do if you want a more aggressive car with a few more ponies.

Also, I know of a few people here in Germany that has done this mod to a standard cooper. TBH, it was hard for me to keep up with them in my stock MCS on a few runs that we did. Once I added my tuner file, keeping up and passing has not been a problem.

I wouldn’t read too much into the numbers, but the file is still worth it as it can and will give you a nice boost in performance IMHO. [FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT]

 

prob a 20hp butt dyno increase with an actual dyno increase of 5-10 and prob a whole lot smoother power delivery.

 

Sounds about right.

 

What exactly is this 'tuner file' and how/where does one get it? Thanks.

 

Check out MTH sight.

 

I probably could have provided the answer yesterday, but I was lazy and only dyno'd my MCS. In retrospect, I wish I did the MC also. Oh, well. I know the tuner file made a difference. But, judging by my MCS most of that new-found HP is at red line, so not very useful.

 

I googled 'MTH' and got thousands of hits, none of which seem related to what we are talking about. How do I get to this MTH site? Thanks.

 

Check out Don at

http://www.precision-mini.com/

That's where I got my MTH Standard file for the MC, and I'm happy. Don's cool, he just lives in NJ so he gets a little wired sometimes.

 

Thanks, bullfrog, I'm in the NYC metro area, so I've got some weird, myself.

 

I grew up in Philly, so I understand. I've since moved down to the calm and laid-back hills of NC. A differerent kind of attitude. Nothing wrong with Jersey, mind you.

There are 2 kinds of files from MTH, standard and tuner. I got the standard, which is supposedly +10 hp, but I don't worry much about the numbers. The car is much stronger down low, the throttle is much crisper, and more responsive. I don't have any experience with the tuner file, so I can't say.

 

I'm gonna call them tomorrow.

 

The numbers quoted are for a European testing spec. And for those that say "perfect condition" for the test, did you know that the power output of your car is only speced if the outside temps are below some number? around 70 F I think...

Anyway, the comments that the site numbers are a bit higher than most will see are right on, because most don't run their cars or test them against the spec. But for all that do in Europe, the testing spec gives you an apples to apples way to compare numbers.

Matt

 

Hmmm.... you know a crapload more about all of this stuff then I do so I'm definatly not going to argue with you. But from what I have read and the MTH customers I have had conversations with I thought my comments were at least accurate within about 5% for the op who is located in ohio. I guess your comments confuse me. I'm aware of the different ways of rating hp and aware that our standards are way way different but how does that change the overall effect of the MTH software.

In all honesty I just found it hard to believe that the MTH software flash could provide 20hp. Alot of people I spoke to about it were seeing more like 10hp max with a much smoother powerband. Overall I think that is a pretty decent deal for $400us and honestly how much more could a guy expect.

I for one dont expect to flash my ecu with a file that I send away for not created by a custom tuner and get more then a 15% hp gain. I would think if that were possible this would be the end all answer in ecu tuning when in fact there seem to be many options.

Maybe I am confusing what you are saying... maybe I'm not. Care to clear it up for me?

erik

 

Unfortunately I can't speak for the MC, as I have MCS, however I did the tuner update to the car, then the 15% pulley and the difference in power that I noticed was comperable. (no computer dyno's just the butt dyno).

Additionally, it should be noted that MTH raises the rev limiter on their software, and given that HP is a function of rpm, means it is very true that you get bigger HP numbers at the higher rpm, of course its not very useable, especially if you hit the rev limiter.. gah that sucks!

Overall i'm thrilled with my MTH though!

 

and pretty much none of us have that, so we'll all probably get lower results. One could call it a scam, but if one wants to compare things, it should be done on the same engine. Barring that, you make sure that the motor is what is should have been from the factory... While this may seem like cheating, it's a standard. If one just did it on any motor that came from the factory, it could be better or worse, but it surley wouldn't be representitive or comparible across manufacturers.

No big deal......

Oh yeah, I think the european HP is 4% different than a US HP...

But you want bang for the buck., you can pretty much change a Mini One motor into a cooper engine. Allmost all (maybe all?) the differences are in ECU programming. Since the one is not a US model, I may be off on a detail or two....

Matt

 

Thanks for clearing that up Matt. As usuall your posts are informative and helpfull .

erik