R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006) Cooper (R50) and Cooper S (R53) hatchback discussion.

R50/53 New Power Steering pump still does not work

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 24, 2016 | 10:32 PM
  #1  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
New Power Steering pump still does not work

The original power steering pump was broken.
it took down the 100A Fuse too.
I replaced the PS pump with ZF Brand. Then replaced the 100A Fuse too.
Before I plugged in the PS pump's main connector, I checked the voltage. It has 12 V (So the new 100A Fuse is fine).
After I put all together then run the engine. The PS still does not work..:(
I can't access the Mini Wiring diagram from BMW planet.
Please Help...
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 04:40 AM
  #2  
JCWCabrio's Avatar
JCWCabrio
2nd Gear
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 135
Likes: 11
If you have power to the pump, but the pump is not working, i can only assume the pump you received is bad.

Is your car eligible for the power steering recall? Could save you some money. Recall PDF
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 04:54 AM
  #3  
ZippyNH's Avatar
ZippyNH
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,605
Likes: 41
From: Southern NH
Is the car running...
There is a "sense" wire...no alternator output...no PS pump.
Voltage with the car running should be more like 14.2 volts with a good alternator and battery...13.2 at the low end....
12 usually means no alternator...so no pump.
Intent is to let you drive without the pump a bit longer if the alternator dies...it is such a big electric motor, it would kill a battery very fast.
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 08:42 AM
  #4  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Hi Everyone...Thanks for the reply.
The car is 2005 and I checked to dealer, based on VIN it is not covered by the recall.
When I checked the voltage the engine was off.
I turned the engine on and turn the steering wheel way to the right and left.
Before I installed the new ZF pump I had install a Dorman pump and it did not work either.
So I doubt the pumps are bad.
The old pump that dead was producing smoke and took down the 100A.
Is it possible it damaging other electronic like any ECU relate to the power steering pump?
Are there any other Fuse that relate to this pump operational?
I checked the PS Fan fuse its good and the PS Fan is running (I turned on the AC and I saw the PS Fan was running)
The alternator is good.
Are member here had the same experience as mine that the PS took down the 100A Fuse?
Thanks.
PS: I am not an English native speaker, for give my grammar.
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 10:12 AM
  #5  
RB-MINI's Avatar
RB-MINI
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,424
Likes: 516
Did you check the wiring harness? They sometimes melted and caught fire when the power steering pump shorted and kept running. Maybe that's what was smoking, and the harness has a break somewhere.
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 10:39 AM
  #6  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
I checked the big main cable (100A Wires) and connectors with Visual and Volt meter (Voltage Between the + and -).
I just had Visual check on the smaller connector, it looks ok. I don't know how to check the smaller wiring with Volt meter.
I can't access the Wiring Diagram from BMW Planet.
Does anyone have this wiring diagram?
 
Reply
Old May 25, 2016 | 08:09 PM
  #7  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
it works now
Took a little drive..and washed it...poor mini..lol
Now I have extra PS pump...hahaha
 
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 06:30 AM
  #8  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,749
Likes: 2,545
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
ok, so was it a plug or just needed driven and prime the pump with fluid ?
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 06:52 AM
  #9  
HaveATank's Avatar
HaveATank
4th Gear
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 460
Likes: 4
Thinking the same thing. If you found a solutions maybe posted so someone else having this problem can find the answer.

Originally Posted by ECSTuning
ok, so was it a plug or just needed driven and prime the pump with fluid ?
 
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 08:23 AM
  #10  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Its a silly mistake. I was shamed to tell it here.
Anyway...after I found an allegedly Mini PS wiring diagram on internet, I traced back...Its the F39...LOL
So luckily I have a spare 5A. Its run yesterday. Filled up the gas tank, Took a nice countryside spin. back home..washed it..took another short drive on twisted roads.
It was fun..! Drive like a gokart..!
I was thinking to sell the mini..It wasn't driven for more than 6 months and rarely use it.
But now I am thinking to keep it...maybe forever! Because I have a spare PS pump now..LOL
I am wondering if the Mini S must be more fun because more power..but I expect the used ones will have more problems but bring it on..The fun paid the troubles..LOL
 
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 08:32 AM
  #11  
ECSTuning's Avatar
ECSTuning
Platinum Sponsor
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 36,749
Likes: 2,545
From: Wadsworth, Ohio
Its more fun because its a MINI, no shame in missing a fuse.
 
__________________

MINI Guru/ MINI Owner Since 2004 | NEW Lifetime Part Replacement | Local Pickup
Milltek | Genuine MINI | Forge Motorsport | NM Engineering | ECS Performance | M7 Speed
Customer Service Hours: 8am-8pm EST|Sales Team Hours: 8am-11pm | SAT 10am-7pm 800.924.5172
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 09:08 AM
  #12  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
The F39 was not missing, It was blown up.
I think when the PS pump took down the FL4 (100A) it took down the F39 as well.
The PS pump will fail again in the future but I have learned the PS Failure syndrome now.
I could not wait to drive the mini at lunch break..!!
 
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 09:15 AM
  #13  
ZippyNH's Avatar
ZippyNH
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,605
Likes: 41
From: Southern NH
Originally Posted by wawan
The F39 was not missing, It was blown up.
I think when the PS pump took down the FL4 (100A) it took down the F39 as well.
The PS pump will fail again in the future but I have learned the PS Failure syndrome now.
I could not wait to drive the mini at lunch break..!!
Hmm....I went 10 years, 96,000 miles, no failures . Had a 2005 r53 like you.
 
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 09:21 AM
  #14  
wawan's Avatar
wawan
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Ya..Mine failure at 126K Miles...
My Mini is not a well maintained one. ( It remind me to buy a coolant today LOL)
They said After Feb 2005 they improve the PS Pump.
The ones that I installed now is a ZF brand, expect can survive another 125K and 12 years...hahaha
I was thinking to give it to my son..but now I think I will keep it...he can get a used civic..
 

Last edited by wawan; May 26, 2016 at 09:30 AM.
Reply
Old May 26, 2016 | 05:16 PM
  #15  
Da_Ghost's Avatar
Da_Ghost
5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 880
Likes: 56
From: Québec, Canada
Originally Posted by wawan
The F39 was not missing, It was blown up.
I think when the PS pump took down the FL4 (100A) it took down the F39 as well.
The PS pump will fail again in the future but I have learned the PS Failure syndrome now.
I could not wait to drive the mini at lunch break..!!
That FL4 is nicely located isn't it? I've messed with it when trying a power steering delete and I was slightly annoyed by MINI's choice of putting fuses underneath the fuse block, with barely enough wire loom length to flip it around.
 
Reply
Old Jan 25, 2020 | 05:14 PM
  #16  
ssean72's Avatar
ssean72
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 269
Likes: 23
I know this is a old post but this is my issue

I have a question, power steering pump changed, getting power to pump, changed 100 amp fuse changed cooling fan still not working. Before change pump just quit working no whining or anything. This is a friends car and I having ever had this issue. When mine went out it started to whine. I also hooked up my computer to scan for issues and failure to communicate with ps system keeps coming up. I checked all fuses and they are good. What would cause the pump not to come on, where does the signal come from and how can I test to see if it is getting signal to come on?
 
Reply
Old Jan 26, 2020 | 07:27 AM
  #17  
ssean72's Avatar
ssean72
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 269
Likes: 23
checked the small connector 3 wires green no volts, yellow 14.3 with car running, purple 12.2 with car running, green 0, with just ignition on, green 10.4, yellow 0. Battery is 12.4 not running, running it is 14.3
 
Reply
Old Nov 2, 2021 | 06:25 AM
  #18  
Azzie's Avatar
Azzie
Neutral
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by ssean72
checked the small connector 3 wires green no volts, yellow 14.3 with car running, purple 12.2 with car running, green 0, with just ignition on, green 10.4, yellow 0. Battery is 12.4 not running, running it is 14.3
Please could you tell me how to check this small connector with a multimeter?
 
Reply
Old Jan 22, 2022 | 01:36 AM
  #19  
Nervos's Avatar
Nervos
3rd Gear
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 179
Likes: 73
From: WA
Just in the case if someone else is interested.

I did full rebuild of electrical motor of the pump
It is documented here: https://www.instagram.com/mini_bmw_mechanic/, more precisely these posts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYS81Wtr5Pw/

View this post on Instagram

View this post on Instagram

View this post on Instagram

The last post has a video of benchtesting the pump and info on how to do it.

If the pump keeps working when engine is off, or it is not working at all, then one or both of the MOSFETs inside the pump stuck in the opened or closed position.
Here are the MOSFETs you might need to replace (2x 2N04H4; can replace by IRF3205 (TO220)):


If the capacitors are swollen - replace those two. Could replace the diode too, if it is dead (PBYR3045WT one).
 
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2025 | 01:39 AM
  #20  
Mforce's Avatar
Mforce
3rd Gear
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 184
Likes: 28
Originally Posted by Nervos
Just in the case if someone else is interested.

I did full rebuild of electrical motor of the pump
It is documented here: https://www.instagram.com/mini_bmw_mechanic/, more precisely these posts:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CYS81Wtr5Pw/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY-pUxpLYMJ/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CY-r_iIr8bB/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZBudnuroYZ/

The last post has a video of benchtesting the pump and info on how to do it.

If the pump keeps working when engine is off, or it is not working at all, then one or both of the MOSFETs inside the pump stuck in the opened or closed position.
Here are the MOSFETs you might need to replace (2x 2N04H4; can replace by IRF3205 (TO220)):


If the capacitors are swollen - replace those two. Could replace the diode too, if it is dead (PBYR3045WT one).

Oh man looks like carbon deposits shorted out those mosfets.

How hard is it to remove the rotor from the main bearing housing?

I am planning to inspect mine too and do some cleanup.

I am wondering if I can put a some sort of varnish paint all over the board just like what they use in motor coils., this will prevent carbon deposits shorting out the electronic components., they are all covered\protected by the vanish no matter how much carbon accummulation gets there.



 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Ygritte
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
6
Jan 22, 2019 06:48 PM
David.R53
Stock Problems/Issues
16
Oct 11, 2014 09:10 AM
MINIWeasel
Stock Problems/Issues
5
Dec 9, 2011 04:05 PM
klgrayson
General MINI Talk
1
Oct 13, 2011 07:03 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:29 AM.