Drivetrain Diamond Racing Turbo Upgrade...Sneek Peek
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Just got an email from the folks over at Diamond Racing. They are working on a turbo upgrade that I belive is for the Cooper, not the S. They said they clocked and astonishing 387hp, AT THE WHEELS! They are going for a reliable 410hp. Stay tuned for more information as it comes through. All these upgrades will be CARB certified. This means that all your upgrades will be legal in California!
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Update, the Turbo kit will be for the S, not the Cooper. Diamond is however comming out with some power upgrade kits for the regular Cooper. Once again these upgrades will be able to be used in California! You won't have to be worried about gettingticketed for your mods!
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>>Just got an email from the folks over at Diamond Racing. They are working on a turbo upgrade that I belive is for the Cooper, not the S. They said they clocked and astonishing 387hp, AT THE WHEELS! They are going for a reliable 410hp. Stay tuned for more information as it comes through. All these upgrades will be CARB certified. This means that all your upgrades will be legal in California.
Aren't you a little late for April 1st? Even if I were to believe they had a turbo that could boost 350% more power than stock, since BMW wouldn't even trust the 5-speed transmission to handle a piddly 165 hp, what makes you think it will handle 387hp? Do you really think our little 1.6L Chrysler engine is going to handle even starting up?
There is a bridge in a very large city on the East Coast that I have heard from reliable sources is for sale at firesale prices. Order yours now!
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Aren't you a little late for April 1st? Even if I were to believe they had a turbo that could boost 350% more power than stock, since BMW wouldn't even trust the 5-speed transmission to handle a piddly 165 hp, what makes you think it will handle 387hp? Do you really think our little 1.6L Chrysler engine is going to handle even starting up?
There is a bridge in a very large city on the East Coast that I have heard from reliable sources is for sale at firesale prices. Order yours now!
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I have to agree - the Getrag engineers aren't happy with anything over 250 hp for the 6-speed. The 5-speed can't take a bit over 135 hp.
I'm certain Diamond Racing has considered this though, so it will be interesting to see what comes about with this kit.
Randy
I'm certain Diamond Racing has considered this though, so it will be interesting to see what comes about with this kit.
Randy
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I totally agree with you guys. This kit isn't going to be for your average driver. This is going to be for the guys who need the big numbers. The guys who can afford to blow and engine, grind a tranny, and burn the clutch. I am guessing it is going to run around $4,500++, so it isn't going to be for the people with shallow pockets either...
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>>I have to agree - the Getrag engineers aren't happy with anything over 250 hp for the 6-speed. The 5-speed can't take a bit over 135 hp.
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>>I'm certain Diamond Racing has considered this though, so it will be interesting to see what comes about with this kit.
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>>Randy
Well, based on some of the cmments they've made on this board and the stuff they sell (like to BrakeMan brakes) I wouldn't assume they considered anything.
Gee, I wonder how drivable a car with such a huge turbo will be? Not very? Or, maybe the kit will cost $50K so that it upgrades everything properly and include AWD to get at least some of that power to the ground.
No, wait, it is really a Neon SRT4 with a MINI body! That's the ticket.
What a joke!
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>>I'm certain Diamond Racing has considered this though, so it will be interesting to see what comes about with this kit.
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>>Randy
Well, based on some of the cmments they've made on this board and the stuff they sell (like to BrakeMan brakes) I wouldn't assume they considered anything.
Gee, I wonder how drivable a car with such a huge turbo will be? Not very? Or, maybe the kit will cost $50K so that it upgrades everything properly and include AWD to get at least some of that power to the ground.
No, wait, it is really a Neon SRT4 with a MINI body! That's the ticket.
What a joke!
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>>I totally agree with you guys. This kit isn't going to be for your average driver. This is going to be for the guys who need the big numbers. The guys who can afford to blow and engine, grind a tranny, and burn the clutch. I am guessing it is going to run around $4,500++, so it isn't going to be for the people with shallow pockets either...
Hmm, it seems to me that any idiot can create a kit like that. What is the point?
Oh, and $4500 is way too much for such an unreliable kit. It should be more like $2500.
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Hmm, it seems to me that any idiot can create a kit like that. What is the point?
Oh, and $4500 is way too much for such an unreliable kit. It should be more like $2500.
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I am not saying that this is going to be a mod that is totally unreliable. I have no clue as to how it performs. It might just be the next best thing since sliced bread. We will see when it is ready to be unveiled. Right now I am just filling you guys in on what this company is planning on doing.
$5000, will get you the JCW which people say "Is a waste of money and you can hardly feel the difference", and yet people buy it. Certain mods will suit certain people....
$5000, will get you the JCW which people say "Is a waste of money and you can hardly feel the difference", and yet people buy it. Certain mods will suit certain people....
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>> The guys who can afford to blow and engine, grind a tranny, and burn the clutch. I am guessing it is going to run around $4,500++, so it isn't going to be for the people with shallow pockets either...
Well put !!
Well put !!
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>> The guys who can afford to blow and engine, grind a tranny, and burn the clutch. I am guessing it is going to run around $4,500++, so it isn't going to be for the people with shallow pockets either...
Well put !!
Well put !!
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Maybe I can follow in it's wake with a dust pan ready to sweep up bits and pieces of parts as they fall off and disintegrate under the stress of all those "horses".
I think most of us realize that a certain amount of risk is involved with upgrading and that we are not really
interested in trading all that power for lowered reliability since most of us use our cars for daily driving.
I like the fact that my MCS has been totally reliable thus far-thank you.
I think most of us realize that a certain amount of risk is involved with upgrading and that we are not really
interested in trading all that power for lowered reliability since most of us use our cars for daily driving.
I like the fact that my MCS has been totally reliable thus far-thank you.
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Originally posted by Sleepless:
Well, based on some of the cmments they've made on this board and the stuff they sell (like to BrakeMan brakes) I wouldn't assume they considered anything.
Well, based on some of the cmments they've made on this board and the stuff they sell (like to BrakeMan brakes) I wouldn't assume they considered anything.
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I have been thoroughly unimpressed by the posts from the folks over at Diamond Racing.
They also seem to have a bias for Coopers (over an S) and I think they believe that with a couple of bolt-ons they can beat any S.
It will be interesting to see if this ever materializes and we'll see how many trannies they break. I for one won't be the first to test this.
They also seem to have a bias for Coopers (over an S) and I think they believe that with a couple of bolt-ons they can beat any S.
It will be interesting to see if this ever materializes and we'll see how many trannies they break. I for one won't be the first to test this.
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Long Long Real Long-
Normally I would not even respond to all these wonderful comments a very select few of you have to say.
But, I would have to totally agree that, "YES, You are absolutely CORRECT." Members of my team may sound biased toward the Cooper over the Cooper "S". As does the Cooper "S" owner over the Cooper owner. What else can they talk about? They can not really talk too much about the "S" because we did not have an "S" early on. As a "S" owner can not talk about the NASP Cooper with out sounding biased? I guess this is a matter of opinion.
So, what some of you may perceive as biased is actually my team has not talking much about the "S", because at the time we did not have the same knowledge about the "S". We also believe that our actions and achievements will speak so loud that we and others will not hear what you are saying.
But, please do not miss conceive my silence, my teams in proper message board etiquette, or members of my team only posting things about the Cooper, as being biased, uneducated, unconcerned about the MINI's advancements, performance and reliability.
All the things my Company produces, that I have control over, will be legal in the state of California. Each turbo kit will be legal in CA. Again anybody can produce a turbo kit and anybody can add parts to the Cooper "S". But, to get it legalized in 50 States is the same as taking a Cooper beyond the Cooper "S". Not everybody has the skills, time, money or patience.
I ask myself the following questions everyday:
Are all the modifications being done in California to the cars LEGAL? Will you pass smog in two years? Or will you have to go see the referee, not be able to drive you car for 3 months until you do, and then be told that you have to remove you mods before you can drive it again? Do you have the skills needed to replace that CAM? Will the removal of certain items cause you to fail? Can you place your car back to stock? Can you afford to? Is you stock pulley in one piece? Can you take the tune out of your ECU prior to going to Smog and put it back with out major another expense? Is that tune legal? Will it fail because of a tune? While the other 49 states do not need to worry about most of these things we do in California. I guess it is the price we pay for living in the Sunshine State.
We have already broken the 12 second 1/4 mile with a Cooper "S" months back. And do you know what would of happened if I would have mentioned this then? We would of gotten the same responses. Which is all fine. I personally feel regardless of what we do we will get the same response from a select few.
So, regardless of some peoples opinions, concerns or fears. Our main goal is to advance the Mini to its fullest capabilities, produce and release reliable and dependable products, that work, that is affordable, that is reliable all of which will take this wonderful car to the next level in the Tuner World. But, which is legal in all 50 states.
And Yes we will be announcing our Super "T" Cooper "S" soon. And you know we did not tell the truth, you are right April fool's, we do not have 387 at the wheel we are actually beyond that. So, when it is all said and done. Those of you who can attend SEMA will see this car and others like it at our booth. Each car is a daily driver not a Trailer Queen.
We do have a series of Turbo and Super Charger upgrades coming for each MINI. (We probally are not the only ones.) Some affordable for the conservative drivers and then some for the HP junkies. Each package I feel are great accomplishments for the MINI world. Regardless of who does it. Look at the first Turbo Mini. Amazing. It was great. I wish I had it in my booth at SEMA last year. I wish I had a booth at SEMA last year.
So, I guess weather we are lying or we are telling the truth. We will know soon. April fools day is in spring not the middle of summer.
If anybody wants to send comments or concerns you can send them to me personally. If you have any problems with anything or any negative comments let ME know. If you think I stink hey talk to me.
Send me a email to:
tracy@diamondracinggroup.com
Tracy Hemstreet
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Normally I would not even respond to all these wonderful comments a very select few of you have to say.
But, I would have to totally agree that, "YES, You are absolutely CORRECT." Members of my team may sound biased toward the Cooper over the Cooper "S". As does the Cooper "S" owner over the Cooper owner. What else can they talk about? They can not really talk too much about the "S" because we did not have an "S" early on. As a "S" owner can not talk about the NASP Cooper with out sounding biased? I guess this is a matter of opinion.
So, what some of you may perceive as biased is actually my team has not talking much about the "S", because at the time we did not have the same knowledge about the "S". We also believe that our actions and achievements will speak so loud that we and others will not hear what you are saying.
But, please do not miss conceive my silence, my teams in proper message board etiquette, or members of my team only posting things about the Cooper, as being biased, uneducated, unconcerned about the MINI's advancements, performance and reliability.
All the things my Company produces, that I have control over, will be legal in the state of California. Each turbo kit will be legal in CA. Again anybody can produce a turbo kit and anybody can add parts to the Cooper "S". But, to get it legalized in 50 States is the same as taking a Cooper beyond the Cooper "S". Not everybody has the skills, time, money or patience.
I ask myself the following questions everyday:
Are all the modifications being done in California to the cars LEGAL? Will you pass smog in two years? Or will you have to go see the referee, not be able to drive you car for 3 months until you do, and then be told that you have to remove you mods before you can drive it again? Do you have the skills needed to replace that CAM? Will the removal of certain items cause you to fail? Can you place your car back to stock? Can you afford to? Is you stock pulley in one piece? Can you take the tune out of your ECU prior to going to Smog and put it back with out major another expense? Is that tune legal? Will it fail because of a tune? While the other 49 states do not need to worry about most of these things we do in California. I guess it is the price we pay for living in the Sunshine State.
We have already broken the 12 second 1/4 mile with a Cooper "S" months back. And do you know what would of happened if I would have mentioned this then? We would of gotten the same responses. Which is all fine. I personally feel regardless of what we do we will get the same response from a select few.
So, regardless of some peoples opinions, concerns or fears. Our main goal is to advance the Mini to its fullest capabilities, produce and release reliable and dependable products, that work, that is affordable, that is reliable all of which will take this wonderful car to the next level in the Tuner World. But, which is legal in all 50 states.
And Yes we will be announcing our Super "T" Cooper "S" soon. And you know we did not tell the truth, you are right April fool's, we do not have 387 at the wheel we are actually beyond that. So, when it is all said and done. Those of you who can attend SEMA will see this car and others like it at our booth. Each car is a daily driver not a Trailer Queen.
We do have a series of Turbo and Super Charger upgrades coming for each MINI. (We probally are not the only ones.) Some affordable for the conservative drivers and then some for the HP junkies. Each package I feel are great accomplishments for the MINI world. Regardless of who does it. Look at the first Turbo Mini. Amazing. It was great. I wish I had it in my booth at SEMA last year. I wish I had a booth at SEMA last year.
So, I guess weather we are lying or we are telling the truth. We will know soon. April fools day is in spring not the middle of summer.
If anybody wants to send comments or concerns you can send them to me personally. If you have any problems with anything or any negative comments let ME know. If you think I stink hey talk to me.
Send me a email to:
tracy@diamondracinggroup.com
Tracy Hemstreet
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>>Maybe I can follow in it's wake with a dust pan ready to sweep up bits and pieces of parts as they fall off and disintegrate under the stress of all those "horses".
>>I think most of us realize that a certain amount of risk is involved with upgrading and that we are not really
>>interested in trading all that power for lowered reliability since most of us use our cars for daily driving.
>>I like the fact that my MCS has been totally reliable thus far-thank you.
Exactly what I was thinking. You may build an engine up to unbelievable amounts of power but you may also be rebuilding the engine after every 1/4 mile. I live some 25 miles from work. That's 200 rebuilds a day. Even if I don't take a lunch hour I don't think there's enough time in the day.
>>I think most of us realize that a certain amount of risk is involved with upgrading and that we are not really
>>interested in trading all that power for lowered reliability since most of us use our cars for daily driving.
>>I like the fact that my MCS has been totally reliable thus far-thank you.
Exactly what I was thinking. You may build an engine up to unbelievable amounts of power but you may also be rebuilding the engine after every 1/4 mile. I live some 25 miles from work. That's 200 rebuilds a day. Even if I don't take a lunch hour I don't think there's enough time in the day.
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Well said Tracy!
I my self would probably be looking for something with some kick, but something reliable as well.
Like most people, I can't wait to see the finished product!
I my self would probably be looking for something with some kick, but something reliable as well.
Like most people, I can't wait to see the finished product!
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diamini wrote:
Cool, care to send me the details and a timeslip for my page?
http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html
We have already broken the 12 second 1/4 mile with a Cooper "S" months back.
http://www.ross-tech.net/andy/mini/d...artermile.html
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quick questions to all of you. but, what exactly wouldn't be able to handle the extra hp? Would it be the clutch, syncros, gears, etc? Especially since the Cooper is such a small light car. In addition, wouldn't the turbo be giving a peak of 387hp? Not all at once? So, really all of the running gear wouldn't get a sudden RUSH of 387hp but rather the hp would increase as the boost from a turbo would increase? just curious... thanks for the info in advance.
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Everyone,
Given that the email that this thread started around was sent to a few individuals, myself included, I would recommend giving Diamond the benefit of the doubt on this. I know that they are working on some turbo solutions. Give them some time to unveil the details before passing judgement. In the meantime, I encourage you to send Tracy some email as I know that they would welcome inquiries on their products and constructive feedback.
Mark
Given that the email that this thread started around was sent to a few individuals, myself included, I would recommend giving Diamond the benefit of the doubt on this. I know that they are working on some turbo solutions. Give them some time to unveil the details before passing judgement. In the meantime, I encourage you to send Tracy some email as I know that they would welcome inquiries on their products and constructive feedback.
Mark
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For all of you that doubt the BIG numbers, think of it this way. You know what the engine is capable of, 380+hp. Given that, I am sure there are going to be kits that are going to offer a reliable 300-350hp...
For anyone who is interested to hear more on the CARB situation, check out this month's issue of Sport Compact Car Magazine. They have a whole article about how you won't pass an emissions test if you do not have CARB certified parts in your car. California will also do a "under the hood" check as part of the emmisions process now.
For anyone who is interested to hear more on the CARB situation, check out this month's issue of Sport Compact Car Magazine. They have a whole article about how you won't pass an emissions test if you do not have CARB certified parts in your car. California will also do a "under the hood" check as part of the emmisions process now.
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Well said. Thanks for posting, Tracy. I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with for my standard cooper. I have to correct you on one thing, however: We live in the Golden State. Florida is the Sunshine state :smile: