It is not only possible to get 400 hp out of a small displacement engine, it has already been done, ad nausem. It's called forced induction. Without that we small engine folks are sucking wind although with the newer variable valve timing and lift engines from Honda and the like there's the possiblity of 300hp without forced induction. Big hp numbers are quite possible with small displacements it's just a matter of how much money do you want to spend. You SoCal guys are free to stop by and watch the SE-R clubs dyno days and witness big hp from 2.0L motors. We are trying to schedule a dyno day but it looks like September or October are the closet dates.

 

Perhaps these people would know the power possibilities of the Mini...



www.dragracing.ch



Frank

 

>>As I said, I'll be at SEMA and I'll bring my BS meter to see what's up with this MINI "turbo kit":
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Andy, you crack me up!!!

I have a pretty accurate internal BS meter and it's been hitting redline since this thread started.

 

I doubt that anyone here would argue that the early VW's, say like a 1967 VW Bug was EVER designed for anything other than economy and a mediocre power plant.

My NORMALLY aspirated 2110cc motor in that car with dual carbs, header, and open exhaust dyno'ed at 210hp the first time, and ended up at right about 245 with more head work and a hotter cam... all pushing a COMPLETELY stock IRS tranny. Never blew anything up, even with the instant hookups and wheelie bars. The CV joints aren't exactly known for their reliability, either. Never twisted an axle, blew the r&p, or anything else.

Since then, I have witnessed 2275cc VW motors with a big turbo, intercooler, and fuel injection putting down 425 whp through a stock VW IRS tranny - with nary a problem. It is just as reliable in the heat of southern CA summers as a stock 1600 - according to owners and the builders (CB Performance).

You can build a monster out of a 1.6L - regardless of whether or not Diamond is the one to do it, I'll bet you that SOMEONE will. It's not a matter of 'Why?', rather it's 'Why not?'.

Look at the aftermarket for the MINI already - we're just scratching the surface, IMHO. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see any number of forced induction options for those that want to go fast - and there WILL be a demand, I can guarantee you that. You can't expect a car with the handling of a MINI to not bring enthusiasts and engineers out of the woodwork to tinker.

And, you can bet there will be more than one that will build a non-S Cooper that will fairly smoke any S on the road - why? The challenge, of course. If it means a new tranny, so be it. Some people simply love to engineer, build, tune, and modify, and I can't help but think that the MINI will attract some such innovator...

Personally, I'd pay $2000 for a turbo kit that would get me to 160 whp for my non-S... why? Why not?

 

>>Perhaps these people would know the power possibilities of the Mini...
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Would get killed by aero though.

I would love to see an engine like that in a MINI, that would absolutely rock! Front engine or rear engine?

 

>>I would love to see an engine like that in a MINI, that would absolutely rock! Front engine or rear engine?

If that went into a MINI, it'd be front and rear engine. Driver mounted on the side!

 

Hi all. I just checked my e-mail and got a response from the Swiss drag racing team.



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Hi Frank



Thank you to let us know which ways our "POWER supporting efforts" are going.

The picture you linked, was taken last year in June at the official launch day of the

Cooper S in Switzerland and we was invited to show to the customers what kind of

power is possible out of a Supercharger and to training the new born Cooper S to

roaring - which he learned pretty well at that day.



To your discussion about reliable power for the Mini; all depends on the boost you can

produce from the Supercharger and that specially the connecting rods and bearings can

withstand the extra pressure. Sorry but we do not have a guide line for - how and how much

you can do on a MINI. Most of your efforts to raise supercharger boost will be eliminated by

the control mechanism of the on board electronics so you have to get around first on that problem

and than you can start to make serious power with a supercharger.



We have guided the little MINI S onto the high performance way - now he must grow and learn

to walk before he can start running.

But you guys can give him a help by keeping on the discussion and one or the other of you can

try to give him a hand by feeding him with the right parts!!!



with best regards

your Krivan Drag Racing

Dezsoe Krivan
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Frank

 

Is there an update yet? I really cant wait to see this car!

 

Hi, what's up guys? What is the deal on this turbo kit for the S? Is this for real?? I'll order it tomorrow if so.

 

As I have told all of you...wait for SEMA...I believe it is in November...

 

That'll be interesting....

Don't they just own 2 CVT's

 

Good luck to them, but I guess i'm not the only one who's not a fan of Diamond (I had run-ins whith them using MCO as unpaid advertising before they were a sponser)... But I'm really guessing that if they can do this, it would be a track only type MINI...

Rocketboy_X

 

I didnt read through this whole thing and dont feel that it's worth the time, but just wanted to say:

Wow, a RELIABLE 410hp. Did anyone pickup the sarcasm there, no sound so.

It'd better be twin or even tripple turbo, and that's with the sc cuz I wouldnt want to be dealing with lag from the size turbo that pushes 410hp. Uh good luck with your ...uh... drag car...

 

I'll believe it when I see it... In the meantime, visit http://www.diamondracing.com and see everything they don't have. What do they sell? Really? Or do they just show off yellow cvt's? I would however suggest that they "UPDATE" their website..... it's a bit "raw" and unfriendly.

Good Luck With the TURBO... If it comes out and has all the safety features and the intercooler is NOT mounted in front... I will be peering at it with a keen eye


Post some Current Updates...Please!

 

And people wonder why I got an MC over an MCS......

 

>>And people wonder why I got an MC over an MCS......

 

Stay tuned...

 

goin 440... MC here too...

We're working it. I will be full of Venom Soon!

 

>>>I will be full of Venom Soon!


I think Peter has you hooked on that...LOL...

 

yup but there is more I can't talk about....

I will show ya soon... but it's something I've, personally, been seeking ever since I first saw one used on a Race Mini overseas.

 

A shoe-horned M3 engine and RWD?

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Ummm 440

that's the one....

But I don't think I have the $$$ to emulate that sucka! But there are a few things on it that I've been SEEKING and will soon be GETTING!


WOOOO WOOOO!!!!!!!!!

 

You can whisper it to me in a PM...

 

I will believe a 300-400+ HP Cooper when (if) I see it. And I'm talkin a RELIABLE one, not some maxed out F & F car waiting to blow up after a couple of drag races.
There are Honda Civics and other small cars out there that are pushing 300+ HP through 1.6 or 1.8L engines using turbo systems, but they have many internal parts replaced. The Cooper S also has many internal parts that are different than the Cooper engine, parts that are forged instead of cast, for good reason.
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