JOHN COOPER WORKS Cylinder Head [Dealer installed at time of delivery 4/12/04. On car for 15 months]

Price of the 04 JCW Kit w/ dealer install.....................................$6000
Price of the JCW Cylinder Head Brand New..................................$3340* [*MINI of Dallas/Moritz MINI]
Price of this JCW Cylinder Head (New April 12, '04) was $1700, then $1200... New Price: $900!

The JCW brochure states, "Two years of cylinder head development, using full 3D computer-aided design (CAD) were initially needed to get the performance John Cooper Works demanded. Using this CAD data, the heads are fully CNC machined. This ensures the highest standards of accuracy, repeatability and performance. Statistical data taken from the many cylinder heads and blocks enabled the compression ratio to be optimized within the limits of performance, engine calibration and production tolerances."

This would make a great mod for an 04 or 05 MCS OR MINI Coop!
So, why am I selling? First off, there is absolutely NO problem with this beautifully machined head! I've been modifying my MINI (not slowly) but surely as my obsession grows, towards a car that is more ideally suited for weekend tracking while maintaining it's "street credibility"!Toward that end I have chosen a more radically ported cylinder head!
If this is STILL out of your price range and you're serious about buying....Make me an offer & see what happens! Couldn't hurt!
I am set up to accept Credit, Debit, or Direct cash account transfers through Pay Pal! Shipping not included...though the JCW signature Intercooler Cover will be!
New Cylinder Head Glamor Shot:http://www.metroplexmini.org/gallery...lbum=78&pos=10
John Cooper
Works:http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCoop...me/default.asp

Edit: SOLD! 11/27/05

 

Nice glam head shot. What did chr do to that head and what did it set you back?

 

I agree...sort of alienesque! CHR didn't do ANY thing to the JCW head. Since "Spyke" is my sole means of transport, to decrease downtime, instead of further modifying my JCW, I bought another cylinder head and intake manifold and shipped it to CHR. They ported & polished w/ 1mm oversize valves & matched the intake manifold for $1220...a damn good deal! This of course, did not include the purchase of the new head, manifold & install! Jeff Fredenburg is the man to talk to....definitely good to work with! Check 'em out! www.chrracingproducts.com or JEFFFREDENBURG@aol.com

 

That is a good price. It would be nice to see a before and after dyno that compares the two for your car. I should think that that would help folks who are undecided about the value in headwork (I'm a believer). Barring that, some flow numbers would help. Any chance they had your new head on the bench and might have those lying arround. Good price, tho .

If I didn't already have a head job, I'd definitely consider your JCW.

 

I see 222 cfm intake and 175 exhaust. Impressive and great price .

 

I see 221.5 cfm intake & 170 exhaust...Right behind ya!

 

It's hard to get specific about JCW's flow #'s since I've never found 'em published, but you gotta figure the major portion portion of that bump in HP from the stock 04 MCS @ 163 to the 04 "Works" MINI @ 200 can be attributed to the performance of the JCW Cyl Head! The only other "go-fast" parts in the package are performance plugs, a 13-14% reduction pulley and coated vanes on the stock supercharger, so that at least gives you a ballpark estimate of the kind of HP you'll gain installing this head. Also there is only one design to the JCW Head. This would therefore fit an 04, an 05 & probably an 06!

Another positive aspect to take into account is that with a BMW approved licensed head, even if you decide to use an aftermarket installer, the dealership would have to do cartwheels to come up w/ an excuse for this install to EVER be the cause of a void in warranty! And if you could afford the extra labor charge, having the dealership install this would be a great option (unlike most aftermarket mods), as it would TOTALLY protect your warranty and be ideal for those living in areas without a reliable aftermarket installer!!

 

So, is this head really brand new? i.e. Have you ever put this head on a car?

Also, do I need to pay tax on the 1700, and how much is shipping?

 

No no no no it's NOT brand new! That was a purposefully cheezy marketing ploy meant to AMUSE, not mislead! (Sorta goes w/ the Chas. Atlas comic book style sales pitch!) It WAS "brand new" Apr 12th, 04 when I took delivery of my MINI! A mechanic & MINI enthusiast, Graham Chandler known also as track-toy who formerly owned his own aftermarket install shop rightly mentioned on one of the other forums where I have this head listed, "A cylinder head in & of itself has no appreciable wear, so you'd be getting the same benefit of a brand new head!"

You pay NO tax & as for the shipping, you send me the zip code of your shipping address & I'll be able to calculate the amount after contacting UPS.

 

I don't normally post on for sale threads, especially negative ones, but I feel the need to mention a couple of things here in case someone here is thinking of throwing $1700 towards a JCW head.
First, the JCW kit does not produce 200 hp, it makes more like high 180s. Most of that HP is not from the head, it's from the pulley. I also believe that only the intake ports are worked and not the exhaust in the JCW head, but I may be wrong.
$1700 for a JCW head is not a wise buy when about the same amount of money will get you a much better head, some with cam included, from a handful of suppliers here on NAM.

Maybe it was the hype in which this add is written that got my dander up.

Maybe it's worth it to some out there, but just know that a JCW head is not a big HP gainer.

 

Where do you come up with high 180's for the JCW kit? I thought it 210.

 

Sorry to interrupt. Greg, can you PLEASE call me tomorrow.

Now back to head.

 

Saucy!

 

For that money you can get a stock head redone for much better performance and a lot less money. The JCW head is a huge waste, IMO. They hardly do ANYTHING, and nothing certainly worth what they get for it. I'm sure there's someone out there that will buy it, but those that know heads sure wouldn't pay that much.

 

Ever hear of valve guides (and there are 16 here), and valve springs, and rocker arms. Sorry, but a wear surface is a wear surface.....

Matt

 

There are other issues to consider, such as warping from incorrect torque and torque sequencing during install and if the engine was overheated which will also warp an aluminum head.

 

But I get your point.

For the JCW head, price it at around $1250 and it will move. Within $100 of Webbs (that has a cam) is a non-starter.....

Matt

 

Like I said, talking's fine but IF you want to buy... AND you think it's over-priced....MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!

 

Agreed, these WOULD sound like "screw-ups" & the head was installed at the dealership John Roberts BMW/MINI (Now MiINI of Dallas) B4 I took delivery & there have been No problems!

Guys, I've installed a new head because I'm obsessed w/ making this thing go faster & I'm selling the old one which BTW puts out a lot better than stock!

ONASLED: I don't understand why you think the ad is "negative"!?! There's nothing diabolical going on here! I wrote the ad the way I wrote it because to me modding the MINI is FUN!!! It makes me feel like a kid again! And I was trying to appeal to SOMEONE w/ a sense of HUMOR who MIGHT feel the same way! It's like when you were a kid looking at the ads to send off for stuff in the back of comic books..."Be the 1st kid on your block...etc.!"

I certainly didn't mean to get your "dander up"! I agree that with this $$$ you can get better performance in other aftermarket set-ups but there WILL be some who want to stick to the BMW product for warranty & resale!!! That's why I said "All you OEM "stockers" out there..." I know you're trying to look out for the "little guy" and I respect that...but don't immediately assume the "big bad wolf" came to town because I try to inject a little humor...

 

Spyke,
I wasn't saying or implying the JCW head you have for sale is warped or damaged.
I was just pointing out that is something to look for when buying a used head from someone. I learned that the hard way several years ago.
Good luck with the sale..
mike

 

Thanx for the clarification. I appreciate that! I suddenly felt like we were playing "Kill the man w/ the ball!" & I'd just gotten the ball!

 

No I'm sorry...I believe the phrase was "appreciable wear"! Defined in the dictionary as "large enough to be noticed; significant; considerable" I didn't say there would be "NO" wear...and for WHATEVER wear there might be for that 14 months, I'm knocking off $1640.00!

 

Check the pricing of the JCW cylinder head at the following site

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...49&hg=11&fg=95

 

New asking price: $1200! Sorry, make that $900!

 

Apologies to previous well-meaning posters for letting MY "dander up" I can get a little tense trying to sell! [I'd much rather be DRIVING!] All opinions welcome!...