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I can't help but think that wing would more useful if it was mounted higher... Looks interesting without the GP3 flares, too
Well, I mean...
Case in point that low rear wing. Luis Perocarpi explained to us that they were worried about drag on the long straights of COTA and were starting with it in a lower position before making further modifications. But even the placement was an educated guess by the team as the car had never turned a wheel before this weekend.
So, yeah, it might, but they were testing in that position for a specific reason.
It neat to see the effort for LAP to move up a class. It took them awhile for the previous to become really successful. I watched the race and they were doing really well, considering it was their first time on the track. I look forward to their progression.
It neat to see the effort for LAP to move up a class. It took them awhile for the previous to become really successful. I watched the race and they were doing really well, considering it was their first time on the track. I look forward to their progression.
Next up is VIR. That should be a track that suits the MINIs well. I also wonder where that wing will be mounted for that race...
One thing I did notice is that there is not much in the way of a front splitter on the MINI. It would seem that the big wing would be of a benefit to a RWD car where traction is needed in the rear, whereas it would seem that a splitter would be of a benefit to a FWD car where traction is needed in the front. This is just a guess on my part, though...
Originally Posted by Clutch Wotan
Is there any information about the regulations ? What is the weight of that car ? Radiator puncture that sounds super retro.
Would be interesting to learn more about the inside, must be everything stock ? Do they race with the original setup
Ps we discussed yesterday the costs of bringing a GP Tcx as a guest starter :-) Laguna ......
For regulations, I would start here:https://www.sro-motorsports.com/
That would be the regulatory body for all of these races. As for the actual rules, those seem to be hard to find on line.
The article that was linked above states “While we particularly the wide stance and wing those modifications in particular were required to to meet the technical rules and regulations of the more competitive TC class.” So, there seems to be more to these cars than just stock, original setup.
My guess would be that things like the wider track on the MINI had to be homologated for the car before something like that could be used. Engine performance would be a function of balance of performance, which with a new car like this, would have to be a target number vs a data driven number.
It took them awhile for the previous to become really successful.
Isn't this because the JCW's weren't allowed to use the JCW big brakes originally? It took a hella crash by one of the Pombo brothers for IMSA to reconsider and let them use them. Once that happened, they started doing pretty amazing.
Isn't this because the JCW's weren't allowed to use the JCW big brakes originally? It took a hella crash by one of the Pombo brothers for IMSA to reconsider and let them use them. Once that happened, they started doing pretty amazing.
Wow! How does that happen? A stone or whatever, that small, that hits perfectly on the tube and causes a hole? That is the worst of luck or close to it...
Looks like the GP3 should be in the same class as car #15, the BMW M235i. Class GTR3. It 's the exact same car at the GP3 except the GP3 does not have All4 and is about 400 lbs lighter than my Mini. (The M235i is the same as my car except for the body).
Looks like the GP3 should be in the same class as car #15, the BMW M235i. Class GTR3. It 's the exact same car at the GP3 except the GP3 does not have All4 and is about 400 lbs lighter than my Mini. (The M235i is the same as my car except for the body).
The M235i Racing is the old F22 car with the N55 which was replaced by the F22 M240i Cup with the B58 which has now been replaced by the F87 M2 CS Cup with the S55. They all use the same basic chassis that has been updated over the past 8 years. They have nothing in common with the UKL2 F44 M235i Gran Coupé.
The M235i Racing is the old F22 car with the N55 which was replaced by the F22 M240i Cup with the B58 which has now been replaced by the F87 M2 CS Cup with the S55. They all use the same basic chassis that has been updated over the past 8 years. They have nothing in common with the UKL2 F44 M235i Gran Coupé.
Gotcha, so the UKLF44 M235i Gran Coupe that Motoringfile ran on the track with the 2020 JCW Clubman about a year ago is the newest version, the one with "sorta/mostly" FWD, and more HP.
Gotcha, so the UKLF44 M235i Gran Coupe that Motoringfile ran on the track with the 2020 JCW Clubman about a year ago is the newest version, the one with "sorta/mostly" FWD, and more HP.
Yup, but the new M235i Gran Coupé actually has less HP than the old F22 which had 320. It is a bit quicker to 60 because of its AWD setup but the 1/4 mile is identical according to C&D at 12.9s. It's slower through the traps though so anything above 100 mph the F22 is going to walk away. The M235i Racing actually had a bit more HP than the standard car and of course is lot more stripped down.
Yup, but the new M235i Gran Coupé actually has less HP than the old F22 which had 320. It is a bit quicker to 60 because of its AWD setup but the 1/4 mile is identical according to C&D at 12.9s. It's slower through the traps though so anything above 100 mph the F22 is going to walk away. The M235i Racing actually had a bit more HP than the standard car and of course is lot more stripped down.
It was raining cats and dogs and there was a lot of debris scattered on the tract. Debris plus spray from othe cars and **** happens. The car was doing very well until it had to retire.
I have it on good authority that the new GP inspired TC Mini race car is, in fact, an F56 S (not JCW*) with the GP3 engine. And a manual transmission. The source? Mark Pombo, who I had the pleasure of talking with today and got a lot of good info.
*He said Mini Cooper S, although he might have meant JCW. I can see how the S would be preferred, though. Cheaper, swap out the engine and the rest of the bits can bit fitted.
I have it on good authority that the new GP inspired TC Mini race car is, in fact, an F56 S (not JCW*) with the GP3 engine. And a manual transmission. The source? Mark Pombo, who I had the pleasure of talking with today and got a lot of good info.
*He said Mini Cooper S, although he might have meant JCW. I can see how the S would be preferred, though. Cheaper, swap out the engine and the rest of the bits can bit fitted.
I'd be more interested in the model of the manual gearbox they mated to the engine.
The normal Getrag 6MT cant handle 480 Nm. The GP3 Engine is same than Cooper S, only it has special parts you can buy from BMW to make this engine sturdy and a winner.
I'd be more interested in the model of the manual gearbox they mated to the engine.
They aren't re-inventing the wheel for the rest of the car, hard to believe they'd do it for the transmission. I'd be willing to bet it's a variant of the Getrag that's been used across the lineup since the intro of the F56.
The normal Getrag 6MT cant handle 480 Nm. The GP3 Engine is same than Cooper S, only it has special parts you can buy from BMW to make this engine sturdy and a winner.
BMW might not sell it from the factory for the GP3, but they've used it in all the B47 FWD manual variants. It's not like they wouldn't just upgrade the clutch for the race car.
We develop a manual, for our SP3T racer with GETRAG, a clutch plate is a must, but not the solution. The 5o Kgs extra of the factory auto transmission are a speed killer, and if you want a podium in this class you need to be under 1000 kgs.
So what's the solution?
The GS6-59DG - ADU is used for the 400 Nm variants of the B47, obviously the gearing is different but the basics are all there to support the torque output from the GP3's B48 variant.
The GS6-59DG - ADU is used for the 400 Nm variants of the B47, obviously the gearing is different but the basics are all there to support the torque output from the GP3's B48 variant.
Know how and cooperation, mainly "hardening" of certain parts .
I have it on good authority that the new GP inspired TC Mini race car is, in fact, an F56 S (not JCW*) with the GP3 engine. And a manual transmission. The source? Mark Pombo, who I had the pleasure of talking with today and got a lot of good info.
*He said Mini Cooper S, although he might have meant JCW. I can see how the S would be preferred, though. Cheaper, swap out the engine and the rest of the bits can bit fitted.
S or JCW doesn’t make a difference as they are both the F56 body and, as you say, the engine and rest of the bits can be fitted. I believe when they started, only the S was available which lead to the brake issue and the fight to get the JCW brakes when the JCW hit the market.
Do you know if the rest of the cars in the TC class are manual transmissions? If not, then the MINI will be at a disadvantage.
or close to it...
